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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Men pushing in in queues and not social distancing.

741 replies

HeIenaDove · 03/04/2020 20:32

I know in the scheme of things this is only small but its the bloody entitlement that gets to me.

When the new Coronavirus Bill came in last Thursday two men used the 2 m gap to try to push in front while i was queuing outside Tesco.

Re, social distancing , i try i really try to stay 2m from people at all times on the rare occasions but the amount of men who walk right next to me or towards me KNOWING that i will move.

This afternoon was the final straw Queuing outside Sainsburys observing the 2 m rule i had to wait until the queue moved to where the trolleys were . There was no way i could get to them BEFORE queuing and observe the 2m rule so i had to wait in the queue before i got to them. I leant across to put my pound in the slot and the FOUR men queuing behind me jumped the queue by moving along in front.

Im so fed up with the entitlement Every time its been a man EVERY TIME. Ive not seen this from women at all .

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HorseRadishFemish · 07/04/2020 17:55

Just messing, I'm fin

TinselAngel · 07/04/2020 18:54

It's like the photo of Marty's family in Back to the Future.

Datun · 07/04/2020 19:04

Haha!!!!!

The suspense is killing me. When you gonna disappear, Radis...

Oh

RufustheLanglovingreindeer · 07/04/2020 19:05

It's like the photo of Marty's family in Back to the Future

It is!!

I have been on threads all by myself...this would explain A LOT

FloralBunting · 07/04/2020 19:11

I kind of love that this thread is now like a bus queue where two or three different conversations are going on, and I still get to ignore the silly nonsense.

Datun · 07/04/2020 19:25

Oh floral, i've been reading it, and chatting amongst myself for a good portion of the time 🤣

TinselAngel · 07/04/2020 19:33

I still get to ignore the silly nonsense

FloralBunting · 07/04/2020 19:37

Now Tinsel, you know full well which one of the bus queue conversations I'm taking part in.Wink

DidoLamenting · 07/04/2020 19:40

HorseRadishFemish

I've copied that list. It's very good

Something thatDidoandHoovescan't have a problem with

We canallget behind that

The one posted by Tinsel Angel at 17.19?

If it is - you are clueless. Utterly clueless. If that is the list it's a very ignorant interpretation of my views. Straw man is a favourite expression on here - you could house all the 3 little pigs in the collection of straw.

DidoLamenting · 07/04/2020 19:48

recommend Pregna Patel's speech (linked above)

I'm afraid the nonsense about Margaret Thatcher will mean I'm not wasting time on it. I never voted for her but the "Thatcher wasn't the right sort of woman" stuff is beyond tedious.

Slightly in the horrors about Bewilderness being lectured about feminism on here TBH

Yes I found that shocking tooTinsel
Interesting also

Why? Bewildererness lectures posters on a daily basis. We're all equal on here.

R0wantrees · 07/04/2020 19:48

Something that Dido and Hooves can't have a problem with

Did anyone actually think this would be the case?

HorseRadishFemish · 07/04/2020 20:04

Dido, go on, go on, go on, Dido go on, you know you want to..

R0wantrees · 07/04/2020 20:06

recommend Pregna Patel's speech (linked above)

I'm afraid the nonsense about Margaret Thatcher will mean I'm not wasting time on it. I never voted for her but the "Thatcher wasn't the right sort of woman" stuff is beyond tedious.

Dido
The comment about Margaret Thatcher was from Lynne Walsh's report of the Women's Liberation Conference for The Morning Star.

I linked Pregna Patel's speech from the conference seperately.
The recommendation you've quoted was specific to another poster's comment.
Though I do recommend it generally as being an excellent, thought provoking & inspiring speech.

For anyone interested, link is here:

R0wantrees · 07/04/2020 20:25

By way of political party balance I also recommend this from 'The Conservative Woman', Ive just been reading it:

'The Tories let in trans mania – now they must drive it out'
By Caroline ffiske
April 6, 2020
(extract)
LAST week the Mail on Sunday reported that the new Minister for Women, Baroness Berridge, has confirmed that male-bodied people, even if they identify as ‘trans’, can be banned from women’s toilets and changing rooms. Presumably she would extend the same principle to women’s other single-sex spaces, services and activities.

Significantly, she states that the law is already clear on this matter. The Equalities Act does provide that transgender people can be excluded from (opposite-sex) single-sex facilities if service providers have a legitimate reason for doing so. The problem is that the trans lobby has relentlessly pressurised public entities into worrying that the necessary ‘legitimate reasons’ for exclusion do not exist. The lobby has aggressively promoted the narrative that excluding trans people from opposite-sex facilities amounts to discrimination. Our public sector has generally responded by, often enthusiastically, adopting this interpretation.

According to the Mail, Berridge is working with the Minister for Equalities and Women, Liz Truss, to push No 10 to take a stronger stance to protect women’s rights, but they are being overruled by Boris Johnson’s aide Dominic Cummings. Apparently ‘Downing Street just wants the whole subject to go away’. Never was there such a naive sentiment. The whole subject can’t go away because the trans lobby has already been so successful. Now, if Johnson, Cummings, Berridge, Truss do nothing, the damage that the trans lobby has already done will remain in place. This damage includes: risks to the safety, dignity, privacy of women; threats to our freedom of speech; corrosion of our trust in the police; the undermining of our language; the corruption of science – even as it is taught in schools – and the invasive bullying of young gays and lesbians. Most tragic of all is the harm being done to vulnerable young people who are persuaded that they were born into the wrong body and that a lifetime of cross-sex hormones, possible surgery and potential sterilisation is the right course for them.

The rest of this article documents how our public sector and public institutions are promoting trans ideology, such that there is no chance of the ‘whole subject going away’. (continues)

conservativewoman.co.uk/the-tories-let-in-trans-mania-now-they-must-drive-it-out/

FloralBunting · 07/04/2020 20:39

🤣 Horse I'm definitely keeping you.

TinselAngel · 07/04/2020 20:44

Why?

Because Bewilderness was doing feminism before most of us were born. Because she's one of the most experienced, wise and knowledgeable women on here. I certainly don't consider myself her equal.

FloralBunting · 07/04/2020 20:46

Well no, Tinsel. You keep cocking up the formatting for a start.Grin

Melroses · 07/04/2020 20:48

That is a good article. Thank you.

TinselAngel · 07/04/2020 20:49

That was Dido's "Why?* if that wasn't clear

Datun · 07/04/2020 21:14

R0wantrees

That's such a comprehensive article. It includes almost everything. And is very well written.

R0wantrees · 07/04/2020 21:42

Datun Yes I thought it excellent & its very much needed. IMO a lot of the focus on Labour is wasted energy. As Caroline Ffiske makes clear, the responsibility & power is rested more with the Conservatives & they must start protecting & re-establishing Safeguarding & women's rights.

Apologies for not including the current thread where it was shared by NameChange2PostThis :
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3873580-Caroline-Ffiske-good-summary-of-institutional-capture-for-the-uninitiated

TheBewildernessisWeetabix · 08/04/2020 00:04

Your attitude is exactly what gives feminism and self declared feminists a bad name.. Justhadathought You argument is a familiar one to the women here because it is so often made by MRAs and fMRAs. That is why I dismissed you as a fool.

My attitude is best expressed by Dworkin:
"Feminism is a political practice of fighting male supremacy on behalf of women as a class,
including all the women you don’t like, including all the women you don’t want to be around,
including all the women who used to be your best friends whom you don’t want anything to do with any more.
It doesn’t matter who the individual women are."

TheBewildernessisWeetabix · 08/04/2020 00:06

Oi tinsel stahp.

HeIenaDove · 08/04/2020 00:50

But getting angry about some insensitive men in supermarket queues, and then using that to generalise about all men, and then turning that into a form of feminine virtue. No thanks

They were acting entitled and selfish. It wasnt insensitivity. You are minimizing.

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TheBewildernessisWeetabix · 08/04/2020 01:17

But getting angry about some insensitive men in supermarket queues, and then using that to generalise about all men, and then turning that into a form of feminine virtue. No thanks

I missed this bit earlier, I guess.

It is now and always has been injustice that I respond to with anger, not "some insensitive men in supermarket queues".
You appear to be suffering from an extreme case of willful misunderstanding.