Men pushing in in queues and not social distancing.

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I know in the scheme of things this is only small but its the bloody entitlement that gets to me.

When the new Coronavirus Bill came in last Thursday two men used the 2 m gap to try to push in front while i was queuing outside Tesco.

Re, social distancing , i try i really try to stay 2m from people at all times on the rare occasions but the amount of men who walk right next to me or towards me KNOWING that i will move.

This afternoon was the final straw Queuing outside Sainsburys observing the 2 m rule i had to wait until the queue moved to where the trolleys were . There was no way i could get to them BEFORE queuing and observe the 2m rule so i had to wait in the queue before i got to them. I leant across to put my pound in the slot and the FOUR men queuing behind me jumped the queue by moving along in front.

Im so fed up with the entitlement Every time its been a man EVERY TIME. Ive not seen this from women at all .

DidoLamenting quite right. Saw your post just before it got removed - I think because you quoted from the other one.
It is probably just people in general, some of us had one particular experience, at one particular time and drew a personal conclusion based on that. I, personally, didn’t draw the conclusion until I saw this thread and thought back at my personal 2 very limited experiences.
Someone’s bound to make the comment that it must be me, maybe I look non threatening to women and they feel comfortable in getting closer or maybe I look insignificant so they don’t notice me or I look way too ugly for men to get anywhere near me. It’s really nothing to do with anything. It’s simply that some people, men and women, forget to keep themselves and others safe. For what it’s worth, joggers seem to be equally split in this, again, from personal observation.

Don't think it is men in particular, seems to be a generational thing

They’re probably whistling too

DH is off to Tesco now, he will stand in a queue for hours. He will be quiet and considerate as he always is.
He is a rock at the moment, probably the only thing keeping my teen DD sane.
He is 56 years old! I

So why not pipe down with your generalisations?

In terms of social distancing, it's all people. Pavements aren't that wide anyway but I always try to squeeze myself to one side when I see others coming. They don't always do the same, and I have observed no particular sex being better or worse at it. What unites them is the fact that they are selfish assholes

Branster I'm glad that post was deleted. I thought of reporting it but didn't.
I get so fed up of the attitude that any thing which goes against the acceptable position means a poster is a man and or a liar.

Mainly had this problem with other women.

Sorry if this goes against OP’s (rather prejudiced) hypothesis.

Maybe their perception of 2m is less than women's?

It's quite common for men to estimate sizes as much longer than they really are.

I haven't had this problem with either sex.

What I have noticed a couple of times is men in our local Tesco apologising (for no need , they weren't in my way) and stepping back if we were both about to head down the same aisle. I haven't noticed this with women.

Not being sexist but I've only been out shopping twice and both times I noticed it was men not doing what they were asked. Had a man push in front and the man behind trying to stand right next to me to talk about how he was fed up with the supermarket rules. A couple of guys pushing past people to get their shopping in a hurry, and being asked to observe social distancing by the shop worker. Let's be honest here, men generally don't like having to follow the rules (generally) while women (generally) tend to be more compliant.

I was in Tesco yesterday morning.

There were two women not distancing, leaning across people, stopping in the middle of aisles, being asked to step back by the assistants. And about 40 men. They were either completely unaware of other people’s concerns, or they honestly believed the rules apply to everyone is except them.

The second group was men shopping with phone clamped to ear “ do you want the blue one or the green one? Should I get 400g or 800g” while he blocks the aisle.
Ffs just pick up a bag or rice and move on.

And the third bunch of men shopping WITH their wives. Why? Why trail around behind her, performing no useful purpose when he could sit in the car or stay at home and leave space for others’ safety.

Apologies to sensible, competent men, but Christ, there are a lot of arrogant idiots out there.

DidoLamenting yes there’s a lot of shooting down or unfounded accusations either at the OP as soon as a thread starts, or at consequent posts which join the conversation but happen to be different. No attempt to contextualise or see the bigger picture. All over MN on pretty much any topic.
I really like that people are sharing different experiences. And trying to interpret them together. Discussions are enlightening. Limiting the contributions has the opposite effect.

I can't get my head round this.

I went shopping yesterday and the people who stood out to me were the man ambling, arms clasped behind his back, down the centre of each aisle while his wife did all the shopping. Impossible to social distance from someone in the centre of the aisle. Then the man who got right up in the supermarket worker's face while asking where something was. Two other men sauntering about with no care whatsoever to socially distance. It was actually a very frightening experience. I did look at the ambling, very relaxed, middle aisle man and feel angry and resentful. It was just so lacking in awareness and the walking equivalent of man-spreading.

I went to our small local supermarket a few days ago. Myself and another woman arrived at the door at the same time. There is a big sign about 2 metres in front of the door saying you have to wait for a member of staff to tell you to come in.
Other woman and I stood waiting both having said to each other "you go first when staff member comes".
Then, behold a man arrives. He walked straight past us, past the sign and into the shop (automatic door).
Open mouthed female staff member told him to piss off back outside and read the sign and WAIT HIS TURN.
It was like we were totally invisible to him (of course as both average looking women in our 40s).

I’ve got to go to the supermarket today, I’m debating wearing the respirator mask I have from being Fit tested at work to keep people away!

These people are thick, right?

We already knew there were loads of the fuckers but this virus is just highlighting it?

Group of 3 lads stood right behind me at a traffic light when I was out for a walk yesterday. Even during a normal period of time with no social distancing it would have been a bit "are you all huddling because you're cold or something? back off, there's plenty of space" but in the current circumstances it was extra "do these kids even notice that there are other humans around?"

DH was walking with me and was also annoyed, his interpretation was teenagers think they're immortal.

I haven't experienced that much at all really.
There was one occasion in Asda where a man nearly barged into my son with his trolley. DS wasn't charging round the shop, he was walking with me, hand on the buggy like I'd asked him to. DD was in the buggy.
He then had the cheek to say "Children need to learn manners"
Nob!
I'm the type that tends to just ignore but I was having a really bad day...
I said "Yes you are right, thank you! DS that man was very rude and he shouldn't have hit you with his trolley. He needs to say sorry to you, its good manners".
The man looked extremely bewildered as we walked away.

Why do the NAMALT tribe even come in to Feminism Chat?

And yeah I’ve noticed this. My window overlooks a popular running track and I see men sauntering up the middle of the track so other people have to squeeze to get past. Only men.

Ffs this is feminism.chat. this isnt so much about individual examples it's how men as a class treat/oppress women.

Somethings are so common they have a name. Like man spreading.

Fortunately as I've only been shopping a couple of times I haven't experienced this in the queue yet as it was before all these measures kicked in or there were so few people there was no queue.

But I did see a man who clearly knew I was waiting for him to finish buying whatever it was he was buying so so I could get to where he was. So he spent ten minutes staring at womens deodorant. Then after putting nothing in his basket he turned round and started staring at the baby wipes...

Eventually left having picked up nothing.

For me it's the male joggers and their right to own the pavement. A faster version of Patriarchy Chicken.

Also more men were wearing masks than women did.

Some of the masks available to the general public will be from DIY or workplace PPE. My DH has some good (technically past their date but still in good nick) kit from working in the chemical industry. It doesn't fit me, it's designed for a bigger face.

In my experience there are as many clueless, disorganised and /or rude ( in supermarkets) women as there are men. Generally, it is women who do the bulk of the family supermarket shop...and as a result tend to know their way around the aisles of their chosen store...rather than dithering and clogging up the aisles.....but generalisations are just that.....generalisations.

Regarding distancing and taking up space....runners and cyclists ( of the lycra/Team Sky sports variety) seem to be the least accommodating - but that is generally the case, anyway; and certainly in terms of the cyclists it is almost exclusively male. They can be as aggressive and entitled as any car driver - almost misanthropic in many cases. Maybe it has something to do with the power of speed, and how it changes your perceptions of yourself and the world around you.

Always preferred walking, myself. you notice more of the world around you, the environment and other people. I tend to see lone males as quite vulnerable in certain ways......and suspect that they have fewer inner resources to cope with loneliness or isolation.

Most people are pack creatures, and what is most important to them is belonging to a group/a social circle/hobby group etc, and they will do whatever they can to fit in or be acceptable. this applies as much to women as to men.

When people are in tight knit groups - whether that be family or friends - they are less accommodating and aware of others ( outside of their group).

Women have as much capacity for negativity, anti-social behaviours as men, although the forms this takes may differ between the sexes.