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Foster children (3 and 7) transitioning. Times article

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Igneococcus · 12/05/2019 06:34

Don't think there is a thread yet:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the-tangled-case-of-the-brothers-who-became-girls-aged-seven-and-three-dq7spwkdq?shareToken=70b8e4ed3bbe70db44d94b44731e6355

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KatvonHostileExtremist · 14/05/2019 17:48

I've just finished reading the court notes from the Irish case (linked by Popchyk above). I don't think I've ever read anything do sad from start to finish.

I was particularly struck by the line from the child saying how they would earn their money in the future. This is some messed up world we are living in. That ambition to be a porn star been inspired by TRAs, for sure.

Foster children (3 and 7) transitioning. Times article
KatvonHostileExtremist · 14/05/2019 17:49

*so

AlwaysComingHome · 14/05/2019 17:58

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Firecarrier · 14/05/2019 17:59

That is just horrific Katvon.

Watch out though we might just offend someone.Confused

Personal offence: The modern version of the most heinous sin possible. In times gone by it would have been something like you know, actually attacking somebody etc, now the most derided are those who dare to stand up and refuse to be brainwashed by this ridiculous ideology. It is like the emperor's new clothes.

If you want to take that path in life, you are free to do so but don't inflict this evil which strikes at the root of a young child's sense of self and identity, particularly when it has already been eroded by abuse from the people who are meant to love you more than anything else in the world. If someone doesn't step in those children are in for a whole world of (even more) pain.

KatvonHostileExtremist · 14/05/2019 18:09

I think some of this is evil. I really do.

NottonightJosepheen · 14/05/2019 18:33

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KatvonHostileExtremist · 14/05/2019 19:17

I know, horrific cycle of violence and trauma.

Transitioning will not break that.

Popchyk · 14/05/2019 21:28

The person in the Irish case only assaults females and not males, the judge found. The child tried to bond with their father by repeatedly violently attacking their mother. Subsequently the child showed extreme sexualised behaviour towards female staff members in care homes, and made a number of violent attacks on female staff members. This culminated in a violent attack on a female social worker who was hospitalised.

It really does raise the question of how on earth do you keep women and girls safe when you grant someone with such a history automatic access to female-only spaces.

It feels like yet another ticking time bomb.

NottonightJosepheen · 14/05/2019 21:41

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LangCleg · 14/05/2019 22:58

The case of Katie Dolatowski - the person who attacked a female child in a supermarket toilet - could also be considered here:

Defence solicitor Andrew Grieve said his client had been in the social care system from the age of three and had been actively engaging with mental health services.

www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/local/fife/702003/fife-teen-on-sex-offenders-register-after-supermarket-child-attacks/

R0wantrees · 15/05/2019 10:08

Excellent article by Transgender Trend outlines the vey serious wider implications of this case.

Concludes:
We are left with the question of who selected this particular “expert” to present evidence, and to reflect on how easy it is to sweep aside all normal safeguarding and child protection concerns when the issue is ‘transgender,’ with evidence that would not stand up in any other circumstances. Likewise, behaviour from parents which would arouse suspicion in any other case, is transformed into ‘best practice’ uniquely in the case of ‘transgender children.’

Safeguarding and child protection was an issue highlighted by the Tavistock clinicians who spoke anonymously to David Bell, and was reflected, albeit in a watered-down version, in the recently published Tavistock GIDS Action Plan:

14. I recommend that the trust is unequivocal in holding the position that simply bringing a child to the service for exploration of gender dysphoria does not constitute a safeguarding issue. However, it is reasonable to acknowledge that this can often be a complex population with presentations that can require the need for further deep exploration.

One of the clinicians who resigned from the Tavistock for ethical reasons gave us this comment:

“In my experience, whenever a case got too close to child protection issues, I was just advised to step back and let the local teams take over – i.e. to offer no advice either way. We weren’t supposed to offer an opinion on whether the gender identity might be related to child protection issues, even when it very clearly was.”

This family court decision sets a dangerous precedent. There must be no area of childcare handed over to ideologues, no approach which casts aside established knowledge of child development and psychology, and no treatment of children given a free pass because in this one area we have decided that normal rules do not apply. No child should be placed outside normal safeguarding and duty of care. Put simply, this judgment creates a loophole and puts vulnerable children at risk.

www.transgendertrend.com/parents-socially-transitioned-two-young-children-win-court-battle/

LangCleg · 15/05/2019 10:12

That's an excellent article.

R0wantrees · 15/05/2019 10:20

cf July 2018 relevent thread, OP Wanderabout wrote:

"Parents who won't 'affirm' 8 yr old gender change being referred to social services

This is really, really disturbing:
mobile.twitter.com/cwknews/status/1022394312556990465

This isn't sensible NHS doctors who are training or advising professionals to do this, based on firm evidence.

This is adult transactivists such as this transwoman:

mobile.twitter.com/cwknews/status/1022397462114443265

Hasn't Tara Hewitt also been attacking the NHS GIDS clinic currently, for trying to have an evidence-based discussion?"

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3317880-Parents-who-wont-affirm-8-yr-old-gender-change-being-referred-to-social-services

Screenshots from Twitter links above

Tara Hewitt & Mermaids/Susie Green have demonstrated a failure to understand or respect Safeguarding frameworks intended to protect children & vulnerable adults.
Tara Hewitt is a founder of TELI (with Jess Bradley & Michelle Hudson) & has had influence in changing NHS & other public service policy:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3385533-Prominant-campaigning-role-of-Tara-Hewitt-NHS-TELI-Social-work-universities-etc

Foster children (3 and 7) transitioning. Times article
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