Foster children (3 and 7) transitioning. Times article

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Don't think there is a thread yet:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the-tangled-case-of-the-brothers-who-became-girls-aged-seven-and-three-dq7spwkdq?shareToken=70b8e4ed3bbe70db44d94b44731e6355

"I just can’t read this. It is state authorised child @buse. I am so angry."

Indeed, so am I. There is also a lot of money involved, and as far as I can make out a lot of "conflict of interest".

www.harleystgenderclinic.com/

I find the Lancashire bit pertinent to this.

Lewis Turner who has worked closely with Stephen Whittle is based in Lancashire. His focus has been public sector for many years:
lancslgbt.org.uk/who-we-are/

2007 Stephen Whittle & Lewis Turner,
''Sex Changes'? Paradigm Shifts in 'Sex' and 'Gender' Following the Gender Recognition Act?'

from bio:
"Lewis Turner has been conducting research on trans issues for the last 8 years. He recently completed the research report �Engendered Penalties: Transgender and Transsexual People�s Experiences of Inequality and Discrimination�, commissioned by the Equalities Review with Stephen Whittle. This is the most comprehensive study of trans people in the UK. His PhD thesis Gender Renaissance: Re-configurations of femininity (2004) was an ethnographic study of a trans group in Blackpool (UK). He is an independent researcher and stakeholder consultant for Lancashire Constabulary and the Crown Prosecution Service on trans issues. He has published work in the area of trans studies and also race equality."

www.socresonline.org.uk/12/1/whittle.html

My first thought was Munchausens BP. Must be incredibly difficult to prove, given that in 99.999% of cases, seeking medical help of any sort for a child is of course the right thing to do.

How can any parents cope with this and care for a further three younger children who have multiple health and developmental issues, according to the parents? The number of accidents referenced in the report is very concerning, because they point to a family struggling to cope at the very least. And 'struggling to cope' is the very best slant that you could put on it.

National appeals this week for Foster Carers:

Today's Manchester evening News:
"Urgent appeal launches for more foster carers in Manchester
Around 1,240 new fostering households are needed in the North West according to recent statistics"
www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/special-features/fostering-fortnight-urgent-appeal-manchester-16220358

August 2018
Lisa Muggeridge comments:
'Why this crisis is significant for Looked After Children.'

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExAWNWRF-o4

Lewis Turner is the current chair of Press for Change,

www.pfc.org.uk/

Lisa Muggeridge,
'Social work training: Ever present risk of predatory behaviour'

www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FLd0kp_5do

Well I made myself read it because it is pertinent to my domestic situation.. seems the LA were given clear indication that the application would fail and therefore withdrew. This is horrific. Having just been thru the very intense process to be approved as foster careers then as special guardians, I’m guessing that the parents experience with their youngest would initially have been viewed positively. I was really careful to not seem too gender critical when being assessed, but then these tiny children being socially transitioned would ring alarm bells. The world has gone mad.

from current thread,

Standing For Women is pleased to announce our meeting at the House of Lords, hosted by Dr Lord Moonie entitled "First Do No Harm : The ethics of transgender healthcare."
3.30 - 5pm 15th May 2019, House of Lords Committee Room 2A.

Our talks are:

"Towards compassionate science based medicine/care for gender questioning individuals."
Richard Byng GP and Professor of primary care medicine at the University of Plymouth "Freedom to think: the need for thorough assessment in gender dysphoria"
Marcus Evans Psychoanalytic Psychotherapist, Member British Psychoanalytical Society and The Institute of Psychoanalysis
"Medical Harms of Gender Affirmative Therapy"
Michael K. Laidlaw, MD. Endocrinologist
"An Urgent Call to Action to Protect Young People and End Experimental Identity Medicine"
Leila Leoncavallo Kelsey Coalition consultant
"The Spread of an ideology and the targeting of children in UK schools"
Stephanie Davies-Arai Author, teacher trainer, parent coach and Founder of Transgender Trend
followed by a Q & A lead by Dr Lord Lewis Moonie

This meeting is limited to parliamentarians. Please encourage your MP to attend this meeting and ask them to RSVP to [email protected]. There are limited spaces available and so we operate on a first come, first basis.

Have a great Sunday!

Posie and Venice

#firstdonoharm
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3583824-Let-your-MP-know-about-this-asap

Interesting RO, thanks...

Do not forget how difficult it now is for ordinary sensible parents who want to adopt a watchful waiting approach in thd face of ROGD.

Examples:

1. Stonewall champion schools who adopt an affirmation only approach.
2. Woke Social Services who use their powers to try to push parents away from their instincts.
3. The difficulty in finding MH support that adopts watchful waiting rather than affirmation.
4. The speed at which hormones are offered. In one instance within 6 months of a child announcing their dysphoria, in another the child simply purchased them off the internet.

There may be plenty wrong with these foster parents. However there is a lot more wrong with the system that is supposed to help and guide them, so that children are properly protected.

I still want to know who paid for them to take this to court and for them to hire 'experts'.

I suspect the parents are the puppets not the actors.

Plus trans guidance from groups like Allsorts and councils such as Brighton and Hove in schools which is affirmative. Risks schools becoming affirmative too.

Do not forget how difficult it now is for ordinary sensible parents who want to adopt a watchful waiting approach in thd face of ROGD

This is why I posted the link to the US news story about a teacher trying to encourage a boy to come out as trans mistakenly (Oregan, US). Society has been groomed into thinking we must affirm GNC kids as the opposite sex, in order to save them from suicide.

If a teacher/judge/parent/foster parent has bought into this, it’s not really surprising. They want to do the right thing by the child, and the ‘experts’ are seemingly only offering one pathway.

The scale of fuck up that will likely be needed to totally turn this ship around is a scary prospect, and one that has the potential to leave a lot of damaged lives (and bodies) in it’s wake.

What we need is a viable support alternative to Mermaids - so that parents at least have two modes of approach to choose from, an organisation that can bring together the voices of medical experts, experienced parents and older transpeople, detransitioners and those who suffered Dysphoria but did not transition, who can effectively advocate the ‘watch and wait’ approach.

And organisations like the NAS who are supposed to support and protect families with non-neurotypical children, but who send them down this crazy path instead.

DuMondeB. The examples of problems are ones culled from the experience of families I KNOW.

There is nowhere to turn. No one to support. It is so wrong.

Still happy to help write a funding bid for an organisation with the skills and capacity to provide that support.

The examples of problems are ones culled from the experience of families I KNOW

Heartbreaking. Seriously.
I don’t have any expertise to offer at all, but the lack of a viable alternative support system is something that is shared with transwidows - there is seemingly nothing for partners affectected by transition that isn’t a) part of the support network for the trans partner and b) intended to do anything other than help the non-trans partner learn to suck it up and squash down their own needs and feelings.

Maybe we could write a letter to every professional person who has either stepped down due to trans issues or spoken out and been attacked - an offer of support /plea for the founding of a professional organisation/ expert led charity?

DuMondeB you are absolutely right. I had not thought of that. Including the social isolation, where you hesitate from confiding in friends and family because you fear being judged.

Watchful waiting is so obvious an approach. Quickly backed up by a bit of internet research. These are healthy children, who almost certainly do not need to be on a surgery/medication pathway. What is wrong with Tatchell, Jessop, Harrop, and, and, and.

Well I have found Transgender Trend enormously helpful. They don’t have the budget of mermaids, but they definitely have the smarts.

It is incredibly difficult when everyone is falling over themselves to be right on and any questions are met with accusations of transphobia. But that’s with a teenager. When it’s a 3 year old , in my view it has to have been led by the carers.

With respect, though, while we know there are society-wide pressures on all young girls and worry that ROGD is one manifestation of this - and that there is precious little help beyond affirmation available - this thread is not about that.

It's about children who do not have stable family backgrounds, who have levels of neglect, abuse and trauma in their histories so serious that they have been removed from their parents' care. These are some of the most traumatised and vulnerable children in the country. The state has taken on the role of parent for these children. They have no one else - they don't have loving parents who are doing their best even in the absence of services who aren't ideological lobby groups. They have only the state and its proxies.

These children have no voice. So please let's keep this thread about them.

And that is precisely the situation in my family.

they don't have loving parents who are doing their best even in the absence of services who aren't ideological lobby groups. They have only the state and its proxies

so true

It's about children who do not have stable family backgrounds, who have levels of neglect, abuse and trauma in their histories so serious that they have been removed from their parents' care. These are some of the most traumatised and vulnerable children in the country. The state has taken on the role of parent for these children. They have no one else - they don't have loving parents who are doing their best even in the absence of services who aren't ideological lobby groups. They have only the state and its proxies.

These children have no voice. So please let's keep this thread about them.

This ^^

Maybe I’m being over sensitive, but I have commented because I am caring for a child who was removed from biological parents because of very serious concerns and trauma, and who has dysmorphia and gender issues which are connected to the very serious trauma she has undergone. So I am not trying to hijack this thread I have current knowledge of Care proceedings, childhood trauma, and Childrens Services, and I have learnt loads from coming here.