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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Miranda Yardley calls out the predator

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Nudibranch · 26/12/2018 02:25

mirandayardley.com/en/jonathan-yaniv-is-a-predator

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CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 26/12/2018 10:20

.....the slow realisation predators are using loopholes for their own gain and that's what people are against...

hackmum · 26/12/2018 10:23

Are we allowed to not respect someone's gender identity if they're a predator, Esther? Or are they no longer a transwoman once they do something horrible, because no real transwoman would do that?

Well, indeed. If you believe fully in the logic of self-ID - that someone is the sex they say they are - then we have to accept that sexual predators like Jonathan Yaniv are really women. No questions, no argument.

On the other hand, if you think that Jonathan Yaniv is a sexual predator and therefore not really a woman, then you accept that self-ID is flawed. You admit that not every man who says he's a woman is a woman.

So which is it, Esther? You don't get to pick and choose. Either Jonathan Yaniv is really a woman, or the very premise of self-ID is flawed. Make your mind up.

hackmum · 26/12/2018 10:24

Has someone asked Peter Tatchell for his opinion yet?

WSPU · 26/12/2018 10:25

Jesus. How absolutely chilling that we can all see a predator at work, openly at work, and seemingly the authorities can’t.

DisrespectfulAdultFemale · 26/12/2018 10:28

Sorry, Betts. You don't get to pick and choose what characteristics make a transwoman.

TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 26/12/2018 10:29

This man is protected by Canadian law

Behaving in a way which has earned international notoriety may not have been the smartest move if JY was hoping to rely on Canadian defamation law to silence all JY's critics

Gileswithachainsaw · 26/12/2018 10:30

Jesus. How absolutely chilling that we can all see a predator at work, openly at work, and seemingly the authorities can’t

And all these people have sisters, mothers, grandma's, possibly even ones who have learning difficulties or disabilities and would be even more vulnerable than many. Don't they have a single friend who's a lone father to dds? Do these people really mean so little to them that they are happy to use them.as collateral damage for woke points.

How much do they hate the very people who carried them in their bodies for 9 months. Who brought them into the world.

RedToothBrush · 26/12/2018 10:33

Jesus. How absolutely chilling that we can all see a predator at work, openly at work, and seemingly the authorities can’t.

I think it worse tbh. They just don't care if it happens. It happens to other people not people 'like them'.

Its a mentality we're people believe that if you are a 'good' citizen and behave in the 'right' ways and are 'smart' then you are fine and won't be affected. It's a mentality of the privileged and utterly close minded.

DisrespectfulAdultFemale · 26/12/2018 10:33

I don't think it's hate, to be honest, Giles. As I see it, it's a combination wanting to seen as "inclusive" and a virtue-signalling SJW at the cost of critical thinking.

I have yet to see a reasoned argument of why / how TWAW. It is all based on feelings and validation of identity.

WSPU · 26/12/2018 10:37

‘They’ will care when it affects their own children, and if this shit continues it will as predators are increasingly given open access to children.

starcrossedseahorse · 26/12/2018 10:37

Esther Betts is an idiot and was called out on twitter by smart women as soon as he popped up. I agree with hackmum about the moral vacuity of these people - how can pissing off radfems be in any way comparable to protecting and promoting a known paedophile because he is 'one of us'?

Gileswithachainsaw · 26/12/2018 10:38

I don't think it's hate, to be honest,Giles. As I see it, it's a combination wanting to seen as "inclusive" and a virtue-signalling SJW at the cost of critical thinking

And an indication perhaps of exactly the kind of behaviour that we have been warning people about. So they can birth you, feed you, sisters baby sit you while your mum works.2 jobs to cover your college fund. That once they have what they want they don't give a shit about you or anyone else. The exact behaviour the tras will exhibit as soon as the law is passed. They are the same people whether they like it or not.

boatyardblues · 26/12/2018 10:38

Gosh, this really presents a dilemma for the TRAs, doesn't it? Do they a) support an obvious sexual predator on the basis that he upsets feminists or b) not support him because he's an obvious sexual predator?

Yep, Ruth Hunt’s “acceptance without exception” statement will come back to bite her on the arse..

DisrespectfulAdultFemale · 26/12/2018 10:43

And an indication perhaps of exactly the kind of behaviour that we have been warning people about.

Yes. Narcissism writ large: it's all about mememememe my feelings my wants my identity my validation mememememe what I want mememe and the hell with everyone else as long as I get what I want.

DisrespectfulAdultFemale · 26/12/2018 10:45

Ruth Hunt’s “acceptance without exception” statement will come back to bite her on the arse.

Hunt said that? She's an even bigger idiot than I thought she was.

Gileswithachainsaw · 26/12/2018 10:46

Part of me can't wait for the more vocal allies to be brought crashing down when they have served their purpose.

But of course I would never really like to see that happen because we know what's going to happen and I wouldn't wish that on my worse enemy.

Mariotta · 26/12/2018 10:46

Its a mentality we're people believe that if you are a 'good' citizen and behave in the 'right' ways and are 'smart' then you are fine and won't be affected. It's a mentality of the privileged and utterly close minded.

Yes. And your mother/sister/friend will never be the underclass woman imprisoned for crimes of poverty, or be forced into refuge because family resources can't help you escape abuse.

Esther betrays not only misogyny but also clueless class privilege.

VickyEadie · 26/12/2018 10:48

Nobody here hates transwomen. Everybody here is aware that every predator who has these kind of fixations is going to use self ID to access women and kids.

CORRECT.

RedToothBrush · 26/12/2018 10:48

They’ will care when it affects their own children, and if this shit continues it will as predators are increasingly given open access to children.

Yes and the backlash will be an ugly thing to behold. Far worse than anything anyone on MN has ever said. The views on kiwifarms will be on the streets and there will be vigilante behaviour.

I see this coming unless this is properly discussed and tackled for the well being of anyone gender none conforming.

I like studying history. I do not like what history tells me.

Mariotta · 26/12/2018 10:49

Hunt said that? She's an even bigger idiot than I thought she was.

Acceptance without exception is Stonewall's campaigning slogan. They brand everything with it.

Think of JY. And. Let. That. Sink. In.

teawamutu · 26/12/2018 10:52

I love you, Miranda.

EB is totally unaware that they've just undermined their entire ideology, aren't they?

Gileswithachainsaw · 26/12/2018 10:53

They’ will care when it affects their own children, and if this shit continues it will as predators are increasingly given open access to children

If they link the 2.

Otherwise They will just be stood there scratching their heads wondering how it all happened.

After all their friends who will not be around to help them out having moved on to the next course of action all told them it was just an admin thing.

HomeStar · 26/12/2018 10:55

I think he's not been disowned by TRAs because most of them don't want to draw attention to him. He highlights the problems with self-ID so very effectively. That selfie of him in the bathroom with a little girl is a great teaching aid for anyone who's arguing "just let them pee."

There's no doubt that he's legitimately an autogynephile like most transwomen, so a "no true trans" argument doesn't wash, even aside from the fact that self-ID makes that argument meaningless. Like all AGPs he just wants to be a woman and do woman things. In his case, he thinks woman insert tampons into ten year old girls, which is so outlandish that people question the legitimacy of his transness. But all AGPs are acting out their distorted male idea of womanhood, which has nothing to do with actual womanhood. Yaniv is just the example that makes it obvious.

starcrossedseahorse · 26/12/2018 11:02

Yes Homestar he is perhaps not as unusual as people believe.

Mariotta · 26/12/2018 11:06

We know that roughly 95% of paedophiles are male. Where is the evidence that MTF transitioners are any less likely to be so than men who do not transition? Let alone the idea that some people who aren't really trans will transition - or pretend to transition - in order to access minors more easily?

It's Chesterton's fence. Show me the evidence and I will consider it.