Vice: how an online forum for moms became a toxic hotbed of transphobia

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broadly.vice.com/amp/en_us/article/a3mn9k/mumsnet-uk-mom-forum-terf-transphobia-feminism

Thought people might be interested in this article. One thing that strikes me is the 'reducing women to their biology' argument. Don't transwomen 'know' they're not male because their body feels wrong? Then it is about biology isn't it? Otherwise why do they think they're female?

but home made coffee liqueur Waterparc!

top tip or what??

You may be right Hipsterfun, you probably are. But then you would be asking me to take an intellectually-biased position against the notion of a petit-bourgious. And that in itself is a form of intellectual snobbery which I don't buy into.

Ooh waterparc what were you trying to say? Was it about trans stuff or something else?

I’m over it now

I've seen most recipies on the threads deliberately started by late-night MRAs /midnight misogynist/ GFs etc

The real treat of this article is the links it offers to other articles. This provided some interesting tips:

https://broadly.vice.com/enus/article/kzjnjm/how-to-be-trans-ally-tips?utmmsource=stylizedembedbroadly.vice.com&utmmcampaign=a3mn9k&site=broadly

Including this one:
"44. If trans folk do have to explain something to you that may be uncomfortable, triggering, or upsetting for us, buy us a bunch of flowers, take us for dinner, drop something into our PayPal. No labor should be free."

I can't really imagine any scenario (this one or otherwise), where an appropriate response to having an uncomfortable conversation is to follow up by transferring money to the other party by PayPal

their "female" practice - that the male wears dresses, make-up, has long hair, speaks in a softened voice and has mastered the NHS lessons in bumswishing?

Can I get a referral from my GP? Asking for a friend, obvs

Yeah I've only recipied when it was the midnight mysoginist, or I thought it was.

an especially narrow vision of womanhood

That'd be the vision that excludes penis people.....

Women swapping recipes instead of answering a post, properly, obediently and thus derailing someone trying start a bunfight must be very annoying, yes.

However TRAs did complain to HQ that women were very transphobically discussing breakfast ideas and ignoring their provoking posts, which was just mean when they'd come here for a fight. So MNetters started getting deleted for talking politely and with interest to each other about recipes. This is just one sad example of the 'shocking disobedient women transphobia' Eve describes. And MNHQ are on it. No one is now allowed to discuss breakfast. Or Weetabix.

You can only conclude really; women are just about allowed to breathe. If they don't take big breaths.

No one is now allowed to discuss breakfast. Or Weetabix.

HQ have banned Weetabix?

Knicknackpaddyflak real women don't take deep breaths because our girdles that hold our matronly figures in check will not allow that.

I can't really imagine any scenario (this one or otherwise), where an appropriate response to having an uncomfortable conversation is to follow up by transferring money to the other party by PayPal

I remember being surprised when this was proposed during the NUS Trans18 car crash conference. It seemed some did by way of reparation.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3237230-NUS-Conference-breaks-down-after-the-UK-Border-Force-Arrive

"Ooh waterparc what were you trying to say? Was it about trans stuff or something else?"

can't remember now. It's happened a couple of times after name-changes. I was too indirect/posing exploratory questions. It doesn't work on this sort of forum.

I now just channel Steve Crowder of "Louder with Crowder" fame and say "my position is X" or "I think X" and it doesn't happen any more.

I am just so so sick of the language.

How can it be ‘transphobic’ to believe that while people are free to live within whatever gender construct they like, sex is actually the foundation of identity for many women. How can it be ‘transphobic’ to not want my own identity defined by someone else’s gender dysphoria? I’m being me, they’re being them, all cool.

Wait, wait, wait, WAIT!

Can you all just slow down with the bedding talk for a minute because we haven't even discussed mattress type yet. Now, for a hotbed I think it definitely needs a memory foam topper (discuss) but are we going standard or full orthopedic because my post babies pelvis needs to know before I can commit to getting into any kind of bed, toxic or otherwise?

HQ have banned Weetabix

I have weetabix, its not banned.
Not eating it hot with bananas though.

I can't really imagine any scenario (this one or otherwise), where an appropriate response to having an uncomfortable conversation is to follow up by transferring money to the other party by PayPal

Weetabix has been banned because it is the most yucky food in the world, especially with warm milk and banana. Not a TRA, but I’ve run out of sensible things to say.

Weetabix in milk is like Shreddies vomit. It's wrong on so many levels.

Now, for a hotbed I think it definitely needs a memory foam topper (discuss)

No... its already a hot bed.
I will become a puddle!
May we have an alternative option available, perhaps by a window?

Not only rebelliously GCing Weetabix but now you want a toxic coldbed?

Perhaps it could be a hotbed at one end & a coolbed at the other?