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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Another Woman Hounded Out of Employment...

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SunsetBeetch · 27/10/2018 10:53

A twitter account called @thewhitepube, run by two intensely irritating very young women, has been targetting a woman called Nina Edge for alleged 'transphobia', which has apparently culminated in her being sacked.

Excuse me WHO is running the @welshstreets account and retweeting bad terf bullshit logic?

I will loudly bang this drum tomorrow when everyone’s awake 😊 @edge_nina @welshstreets pls let me know in the meantime!! Sweet dreams Xxxxx

It appear the Welsh Streets account has become the soapbox for artist @edge_nina (who was recently commissioned to do the winter garden) to spout transphobia, does that represent the view of all involved in the Welsh Streets effort?

I understand why people followed the account in the past (because their housing activism has been good for Liverpool) but I would urge everyone to unfollow in the meantime because you are just putting your trans followers and audiences at arms length in the meantime.

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SunsetBeetch · 27/10/2018 10:54

Also just been informed she is a temporary tutor at the art school of @LJMU *@LJMU*arts so idk are you all okay with hiring a terf lmk

Ha ha ha Nina Edge led a cross year crit at @LJMU today with trans students in the group. Y u all still following when she loudly makes trans women out to be villains online and also doesn’t believe they are women 🧐🧐🧐🧐🧐 wow

NEWS:
We just found out nina edge ain’t gonna be teaching at LJMU no more - students spoke up and they had a meeting today!!

twitter.com/thewhitepube/status/1055239282003189761?s=19

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SunsetBeetch · 27/10/2018 10:55

Bloody awful. And these are little mor .than kids!!

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Charliethefeminist · 27/10/2018 10:57

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SunsetBeetch · 27/10/2018 10:58

"TRAs are celebrating getting art teacher sacked from Liverpool John Moores university, because she believes in the existence of objective reality. They're now aiming to get academic sacked by Oxford uni. A historian just described whats happening perfectly: it's woke McCarthyism"

twitter.com/PilgrimTucker/status/1056109407371776001?s=19

Yup. Angry

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Charliethefeminist · 27/10/2018 10:59

This is why I've no medals for transsexuals who've come late to the fight. They've stayed silent for years while women were targeted and demonised. And as soon as they speak up, it's for themselves. While women like Nina lose their jobs.

Juells · 27/10/2018 10:59

Vile abusive little bullies.

TBH I doubt that Nina Edge gives a shit. The only losers are the students.

However, it led me to google her, and I absolutely love the photo on her home page www.ninaedge.com/

Charliethefeminist · 27/10/2018 11:00

When else in society have mature adults and academic professionals been hounded by kids? The parallels in history aren't pretty.

Gentlygently · 27/10/2018 11:10

Do we know for sure she was sacked and that this was the reason?

Spasm0dic · 27/10/2018 11:12

Nazi Germany. Stalins USSR. Mao’s China

Manderleyagain · 27/10/2018 11:19

I have no knowledge apart from what I read on twitter. They described her as a temporary tutor.

Dont know for art but for other subjects unis often use hourly paid tutors on a v casual basis. No guarantee of more work next year, or even next term. It would be easy for them to drop someone like that.

BettyDuMonde · 27/10/2018 11:38

Visiting tutors in the arts are often reliant on these earnings to cover living expenses, it’s what enables them to be practising artists.

I think we need a fabulous group exhibition by ‘terfy’ women-artists. I bet there is a lot of them about, and it’s time we reframed this as a proudly pro-woman, give no fucks movement.

arranfan · 27/10/2018 11:44

time we reframed this as a proudly pro-woman, give no fucks movement.

I'm rather taken with the idea of a 0FG exhibition. I'd like there to be a textile section featuring banners from Leeds Spinners :)

LassWiADelicateAir · 27/10/2018 11:45

Dont know for art but for other subjects unis often use hourly paid tutors on a v casual basis. No guarantee of more work next year, or even next term. It would be easy for them to drop someone like that

Law faculties use practising solicitors as part time tutors. The benefit to the university is considerably more than the pittance paid to the solicitor. People tutor because they think it's a good thing to do, not for the income. It might be a tiny brownie point on a CV. From Nina Edge's website she seems to be in the same position.

BettyDuMonde · 27/10/2018 11:49

Technically the same Lass but practically very different. Art tutors earn around £250 a day, depending on how prestigious the uni is.

£250 a day, one day a week, 30 weeks a year. This is often the majority of the artists income, or at least, the only guaranteed part, for perhaps the first 10 years of an artists career.

Anlaf · 27/10/2018 12:28

Oh dear. They are doubling down on twitter, apparently the people who disagree are also "highkey fasc"

Ngl, seeing how closely aligned TERFs n their transphobia is with the nazi/fascist alt right in our mentions has only emboldened me in my belief that both are disgusting, violent, n should be both fought n de-platformed wherever they’re encountered.

wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 27/10/2018 12:30

Scary stuff

Nofedora · 27/10/2018 12:52

SO,,,, working between Liverpool and London and living with our parents, born 7 days apart as Cancers, we are art critic baby gods and i know there's only two of us but quite frankly we are a gang.

The sound of spoilt

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 27/10/2018 12:58

Horrific. What IS going on? I'm still at a loss as to how this movement has taken off with so much momentum, and with so much political backing, and so many women are being mown down by it!

CaptainMarvelDanvers · 27/10/2018 13:02

Ngl, seeing how closely aligned TERFs n their transphobia is with the nazi/fascist alt right in our mentions has only emboldened me in my belief that both are disgusting, violent, n should be both fought n de-platformed wherever they’re encountered.

They really don’t seem to know what Fascism is, if they did they would realise that their actions to suppress free speech and critical thinking and debates is more aligned with Fascism.

arranfan · 27/10/2018 13:33

They really don’t seem to know what Fascism is, if they did they would realise that their actions to suppress free speech and critical thinking and debates is more aligned with Fascism.

Historical accuracy - the belief you should know something what you're espousing and spouting. How very pre-millennial to insist that names and words should have meaning.

And that Obama - what does he know about the risk to democracy and society that arises when you espouse this sort of intellectual and civic dishonesty that undermines essential frameworks.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3406703-When-words-stop-meaning-anything-when-people-can-just-make-up-anything-democracy-doesnt-work

LassWiADelicateAir · 27/10/2018 14:09

And that Obama - what does he know about the risk to democracy and society that arises when you espouse this sort of intellectual and civic dishonesty that undermines essential frameworks

Obama: "When words stop meaning anything, when people can just make up anything, democracy doesn't work. Society can't work. If you can just say anything, and there are no consequences... how are we going to have any kind of accountability?"

From the Trump thread on here.

A series of decisions by the Obama administration loosened the legal concept of sex in federal programs, including in education and health care, recognizing sex largely as an individual’s choice — and prompting fights over bathrooms, dormitories, single-sex programs and other arenas where gender was once seen as a simple concept

I may be missing the point but didn't Obama redefine "sex" as "gender" in Article IX?

BlackShutters · 27/10/2018 14:21

The Obama administration sent a letter to government funded schools advising them that the word sex in Title lX should be interpreted as gender.

IfNotNowThenWooOoOoo · 27/10/2018 14:23

I hope she wasn't sacked?! A couple of spoilt children hounding a BAME artist (who does street art in support of communities) and calling her a Nazi??
Shock
If my child did something so stupid and nasty I would be deeply ashamed.

I hope I have got the wrong end of the stick...? Just gobsmacked.

ijustwannadance · 27/10/2018 14:30

Jumped up little brats who have no idea about being grown ups and living in the real world.

Procrastinator1 · 27/10/2018 14:33

Yes, they are brats but the University should be grown up by now.

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