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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Motion against Liverpool ReSisters by Liverpool City Council

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LiverpoolReSisters · 13/09/2018 11:59

Council motion can be found here: councillors.liverpool.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=305&MId=16817&Ver=4

Our reply:

Dear Councillors,

I am writing to you on behalf of a group of local women who have grave concerns about the government’s proposed changes to the Gender Recognition Act 2004.

The government have recently launched a consultation on changes to this law which will effectively render women’s sex-based rights under the Equality Act 2010 redundant. Under the proposals for ‘self identification’ or ‘self ID’ of gender, any person can legally change their sex by simply signing a form, with no checks or balances. This has many consequences for our community, and we feel some of our Council representatives have not considered the full implications of this issue and have made hasty public comments as a result. The motion put forward by these council members is well-meaning, but has clearly not been assessed for the wider impact it will have on the community they represent.

We would like to comment on item 14 in the City Council Meeting Agenda, dated Wednesday 19 September, 2018.

“Hate crime can be devastating for victims and their families and has the potential to divide and damage communities and neighbourhoods.”

We, as members of the group Liverpool ReSisters, agree that hate crime has the potential to divide and damage individuals and communities.

As defined on gov.uk, a hate crime is a crime committed against someone because of their disability, gender-identity, race, religion or belief, or sexual orientation.

Is Liverpool City Council accusing Liverpool ReSisters of a hate crime? Naming our group in the Agenda item directly below this commentary is a clear effort to tie our name with criminal activity.

“A hateful campaign has been set up by Liverpool ReSisters that has seen stickers regarding Trans women and gender recognition defacing public art works and buildings across Merseyside.”

We would like to point out the following facts:

  1. We have not “set up” a “hateful campaign”. On August 17 2018, Liverpool ReSisters tweeted a picture of a packet of unused stickers that stated the biological truth, “Women don’t have penises”. At this point, media attention came our way, and we were reported to the Merseyside Police for a hate crime. Apparently this is still under investigation, with the professed assistance of Mayor Joe Anderson .
  1. On August 18 2018, Liverpool ReSisters tweeted 4 pictures of one sticker on one Antony Gormley statue on Crosby beach, and one sticker on one information placard about the statues. There is no evidence of these objects being defaced by stickers which – by their very nature – are easily removed by anyone with the wherewithal to do so. Crosby beach is within the boundaries of Sefton, and to our knowledge, no other stickers have been reported to be found in areas “across Merseyside”.
  1. Liverpool ReSisters does not feel these stickers condone hatred towards anyone, but have served to raise awareness about the problems inherent in “self ID” and the fact that the government’s consultation on the proposed change to law is open to the public until 19 October 2018. (see consult.education.gov.uk/government-equalities-office/reform-of-the-gender-recognition-act/consultation/intro/ for more information)
  1. In our press release, which can be found on the homepage of our blog, we state the sincerely held belief that legislation must be drafted that benefits trans people, protects children, and upholds women’s rights. We refute the claim that any of these views are hateful in any way.

“The campaign has created a platform for some people to share offensive comments about the trans community particularly on social media”

Liverpool ReSisters do not own, run or moderate the content on social media platforms. We are not liable or responsible for any views other than our own, which we state clearly in our twitter and blog, and invite Liverpool City Councillors to view for themselves: @LiverpoolResis1 and www.liverpoolresisters.wordpress.com

We do remain anonymous on our twitter and blog accounts, because women have been attacked for expressing the view that women don’t have penises. Our group has been on the receiving end of many disturbingly hateful and violent messages. Please see the following blog post that shows clear examples of such behaviour:

liverpoolresisters.wordpress.com/2018/08/24/why-are-we-anonymous/

“Liverpool ReSisters do not recognise Transgender women as women”

Women don’t have penises. This is not hate speech, it is not transphobia, it is a simple statement of biological fact.

Many people are under the impression that the term ‘transgender’ is interchangeable with ‘transsexual’ – i.e. referring to people who have lived with severe gender dysphoria their entire lives, and embark on a social, medical, and surgical transition to live life as if they were the opposite sex. It is this tiny minority of people who the original Gender Recognition Act was there to help, and the reason why most people have always been supportive of trans rights, accepting of preferred pronouns and so on.

Stonewall (officially Stonewall Equality Limited) is a registered charity that lobbies UK government for changes in equality laws for lesbian, gay, bisexual and trans people. Stonewall defines trans as:

“Trans people may describe themselves using one or more of a wide variety of terms, including (but not limited to) transgender, transsexual, gender-queer (GQ), gender-fluid, non-binary, gender-variant, crossdresser, genderless, agender, nongender, third gender, two-spirit, bi-gender, trans man, trans woman,trans masculine, trans feminine and neutrois.”

Over 80% of males who now identify as ‘trans’ never intend to make any bodily changes, so remain fully intact males, despite claiming a female identity.

To clarify, we share with Liverpool City Council the following dictionary definitions:

Male: of or denoting the sex that produces gametes, especially spermatozoa, with which a female may be fertilized or inseminated to produce offspring

Female: of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs, distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova) which can be fertilized by male gametes

We repeat: Women don’t have penises. This is not hate speech, it is not transphobia, it is a simple statement of biological fact.

“There is no place in our city for hatred and bigotry”

Again, we require urgent clarification from Liverpool City Council – are Liverpool ReSisters being accused of a hate crime? Is the Council united in accusing us of hatred and bigotry, and on what grounds and evidence is being used for such an accusation?

“Liverpool is a haven for inclusivity, acceptance and tolerance and we are proud to stand with our LGBT+ community in their endeavour to strengthen their rights both here and around the world”

The goals and aims of Liverpool ReSisters is to raise awareness of the potential threat to sex based rights and women’s rights from current proposed changes to law. We live in a democratic society wherein we have the privilege to debate and discuss changes to law that will affect members of our society. Our main focus is on women’s rights. We are a women’s group.

Women and girls need spaces of their own for a variety of reasons, but principally because we continue to face male violence and harassment in public and in private spaces. The World Health Organisation calls violence against women and girls a “major public health problem and a violation of women’s human rights”, and estimates that one in three women will endure violence from a partner or ex-partner, or non-partner sexual violence in their lifetime. This violence is perpetrated by males. Until this despicable violence ends, women need safe female-only spaces.

As city councillors, we would expect you to have an understanding of the need for safeguarding for women and girls, and to oversee the statutory duties of the Council to provide for the specific needs of this sex class.

Given the recent news story about Merseyside Police being unable to monitor the thousands of sex offenders on Liverpool’s streets, as well as the endemic problem of male violence, we should be prioritising the safety and safeguarding of vulnerable women and children.

Recent statistics show that 90% of all sexual incidents in public changing rooms (voyeurism, harassment, assault and rape) occur in mixed sex facilities (despite the vast majority of facilities remaining single sex). If self-id becomes law, all spaces will become mixed sex by default, and women and children will be put at much greater risk.

“TRANS WOMEN ARE WOMEN”

We encourage Liverpool City Councillors to refer to the above dictionary definitions of Male and Female.

A recent poll by Pink News/YouGov showed that only 18% of the public is in favour of self-identification. Most of the public are under the impression that transgender is the same as transsexual, completely unaware that the majority of (what is now defined as) transgender women do not undergo any treatment, continue to retain their penises and are heterosexual. Once explained, the overwhelming majority of people can see the dangers and problems with self-id. We have already seen horrendous events come to light; there will be more and the public will be unforgiving to those elected representatives who allowed this to happen.

Liverpool ReSisters fully intend to continue raising awareness about this issue.

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LiverpoolReSisters · 13/09/2018 13:17

Ah, we didn't know about Newcastle. Excellent.

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Ereshkigal · 13/09/2018 13:17

Fantastic.

Noqont · 13/09/2018 13:21

Yay to Cardiff and Newcastle ❤️

BingBongSong · 13/09/2018 13:37

Thanks LiverpoolReSisters. For some reason, I had not twigged that misogyny is not classed as a hate crime, even though it's been discussed recently in Nottingham. It's a depressing thought.

MnerXX · 13/09/2018 13:44

So disappointed Liverpool - a truly great city hoodwinked by the TRAs. Excellent letter by the way.

Really great news re Cardiff and Newcastle.

VickyEadie · 13/09/2018 13:45

I had not twigged that misogyny is not classed as a hate crime,

Life in Looking-glass Land:

Misogyny = not hateful

Saying people with penises who claim they are women are, in fact, men = very hateful

BingBongSong · 13/09/2018 13:50

I think I was getting mixed up with the protected characteristics in the Equality Act. I despair that hatred against women is treated with such flippancy.

AnchorMum · 13/09/2018 13:59

Thank you LiverpoolReSisters for everything you're doing to bring this into the open.

IfNotNowThenWhen1 · 13/09/2018 14:01

Fucking Hell this is all bonkers.
This is it, for me, in a nutshell:

Liverpool City Council allows that the increased risks to the safety of women and children is acceptable collateral damage for the validation of males to have access to female-only spaces, and that safeguarding is not a priority

What a bunch of cocks. Speaking of which, I noticed that the majority of the Council motion signatories have male names. Funny that, because TWAW and self id isn't really going to affect them at all. Hmmmmmm.
Well done Liverpool Resisters. Solidarity.

Oh, and WOMEN DON'T HAVE PENISES.

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Juells · 13/09/2018 14:25

What a brilliant reasonable letter. How can anyone argue with the points made?

birdsdestiny · 13/09/2018 14:35

I live as near to Newcastle as makes no difference. I am a bit proud but not surprised. Apparently we don't believe in gender or wearing coats.

RedDogsBeg · 13/09/2018 14:44

birdsdestinyGrin.

Ah Liverpool City Council so inclusive that they are deliberately excluding women. Great job. So many women are going to end up even more marginalised and excluded from public life by this.

WarmWishes · 13/09/2018 14:48

Birdsdestiny it's a little known fact that scousers also reject the coat.

Btw I think it is just sections of the Labour Party in Cardiff and Newcastle that are potentially gender critical not the actual council...but still!

Juells · 13/09/2018 15:02

Seriously, what on earth are councils thinking? "Shut up women, the men have made their decision." Does it never occur to them that we're more than half the population?

AncientLights · 13/09/2018 15:33

It is a really good letter and it does need to be long. Its length makes stupid dogmas like 'TWAW' sound even more thoughtless. Well done, ReSisters. I'm a soft southener, love a good winter coat.

arranfan · 13/09/2018 15:37

Juells wrote: Does it never occur to them that we're more than half the population?

But absolute majorities count for nothing unless men say so - weren't you in school for that civics class? (I missed it too.)

Women may be >50% in absolute numbers but our social value? I'm sure there are constitutions somewhere that place us above a quarter but no more than a half...

LangCleg · 13/09/2018 15:48

I'm so proud of you ReSisters. You are indefatigable.

AbsintheFriends · 13/09/2018 15:55

I thought we'd left the dark days of nodebate far behind. A real jolt to see it repeated in that screenshot.

Thanks to Liverpool ReSisters for persisting.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 13/09/2018 16:28

I've tweeted LCC @lpoolcouncil

"You refuse to debate the impact of Self ID on women's rights and still have the nerve to boast of being "inclusive". How many women from ethnic and religious minorities in Liverpool will be excluded from public life if loos, etc are no longer single sex?"

Hope that's in line with your views. It pisses me right off that public bodies, having previously made efforts to include women from cultures/faiths in which single sex spaces are non negotiable in public life, have suddenly done a 180.

All it took was for a tiny group of noisy well connected men to demand access and single sex provision was over.

WarmWishes · 13/09/2018 16:30

Resisters will you report back as things go on?

LARLARLAND · 13/09/2018 16:33

I am really fucked off they put stickers on the Iron Men in Crosby. Those statues mean a lot to a lot of people.

WarmWishes · 13/09/2018 16:48

Yeah larlar one sticker on one statue is a lot to cope with. I saw a photo tweeted by Harrop of a whole team despatched to clean it up! A whole team! I've never used the word 'snowflake' before but I do think it is appropriate in this instance.

LARLARLAND · 13/09/2018 16:50

I am not a snowflake at all. if you knew me and my story you would (hopefully) be most respectful but then again, I doubt it.

WarmWishes · 13/09/2018 16:56

I was referring to the requirement of a a whole team to clear up one sticker.

Floisme · 13/09/2018 16:57

Hey Liverpool City Council, good to see you celebrating 100 years of female suffrage by telling us to shut up. Well done chaps, very well done.