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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Motion against Liverpool ReSisters by Liverpool City Council

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LiverpoolReSisters · 13/09/2018 11:59

Council motion can be found here: councillors.liverpool.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=305&MId=16817&Ver=4

Our reply:

Dear Councillors,

I am writing to you on behalf of a group of local women who have grave concerns about the government’s proposed changes to the Gender Recognition Act 2004.

The government have recently launched a consultation on changes to this law which will effectively render women’s sex-based rights under the Equality Act 2010 redundant. Under the proposals for ‘self identification’ or ‘self ID’ of gender, any person can legally change their sex by simply signing a form, with no checks or balances. This has many consequences for our community, and we feel some of our Council representatives have not considered the full implications of this issue and have made hasty public comments as a result. The motion put forward by these council members is well-meaning, but has clearly not been assessed for the wider impact it will have on the community they represent.

We would like to comment on item 14 in the City Council Meeting Agenda, dated Wednesday 19 September, 2018.

“Hate crime can be devastating for victims and their families and has the potential to divide and damage communities and neighbourhoods.”

We, as members of the group Liverpool ReSisters, agree that hate crime has the potential to divide and damage individuals and communities.

As defined on gov.uk, a hate crime is a crime committed against someone because of their disability, gender-identity, race, religion or belief, or sexual orientation.

Is Liverpool City Council accusing Liverpool ReSisters of a hate crime? Naming our group in the Agenda item directly below this commentary is a clear effort to tie our name with criminal activity.

“A hateful campaign has been set up by Liverpool ReSisters that has seen stickers regarding Trans women and gender recognition defacing public art works and buildings across Merseyside.”

We would like to point out the following facts:

  1. We have not “set up” a “hateful campaign”. On August 17 2018, Liverpool ReSisters tweeted a picture of a packet of unused stickers that stated the biological truth, “Women don’t have penises”. At this point, media attention came our way, and we were reported to the Merseyside Police for a hate crime. Apparently this is still under investigation, with the professed assistance of Mayor Joe Anderson .
  1. On August 18 2018, Liverpool ReSisters tweeted 4 pictures of one sticker on one Antony Gormley statue on Crosby beach, and one sticker on one information placard about the statues. There is no evidence of these objects being defaced by stickers which – by their very nature – are easily removed by anyone with the wherewithal to do so. Crosby beach is within the boundaries of Sefton, and to our knowledge, no other stickers have been reported to be found in areas “across Merseyside”.
  1. Liverpool ReSisters does not feel these stickers condone hatred towards anyone, but have served to raise awareness about the problems inherent in “self ID” and the fact that the government’s consultation on the proposed change to law is open to the public until 19 October 2018. (see consult.education.gov.uk/government-equalities-office/reform-of-the-gender-recognition-act/consultation/intro/ for more information)
  1. In our press release, which can be found on the homepage of our blog, we state the sincerely held belief that legislation must be drafted that benefits trans people, protects children, and upholds women’s rights. We refute the claim that any of these views are hateful in any way.

“The campaign has created a platform for some people to share offensive comments about the trans community particularly on social media”

Liverpool ReSisters do not own, run or moderate the content on social media platforms. We are not liable or responsible for any views other than our own, which we state clearly in our twitter and blog, and invite Liverpool City Councillors to view for themselves: @LiverpoolResis1 and www.liverpoolresisters.wordpress.com

We do remain anonymous on our twitter and blog accounts, because women have been attacked for expressing the view that women don’t have penises. Our group has been on the receiving end of many disturbingly hateful and violent messages. Please see the following blog post that shows clear examples of such behaviour:

liverpoolresisters.wordpress.com/2018/08/24/why-are-we-anonymous/

“Liverpool ReSisters do not recognise Transgender women as women”

Women don’t have penises. This is not hate speech, it is not transphobia, it is a simple statement of biological fact.

Many people are under the impression that the term ‘transgender’ is interchangeable with ‘transsexual’ – i.e. referring to people who have lived with severe gender dysphoria their entire lives, and embark on a social, medical, and surgical transition to live life as if they were the opposite sex. It is this tiny minority of people who the original Gender Recognition Act was there to help, and the reason why most people have always been supportive of trans rights, accepting of preferred pronouns and so on.

Stonewall (officially Stonewall Equality Limited) is a registered charity that lobbies UK government for changes in equality laws for lesbian, gay, bisexual and trans people. Stonewall defines trans as:

“Trans people may describe themselves using one or more of a wide variety of terms, including (but not limited to) transgender, transsexual, gender-queer (GQ), gender-fluid, non-binary, gender-variant, crossdresser, genderless, agender, nongender, third gender, two-spirit, bi-gender, trans man, trans woman,trans masculine, trans feminine and neutrois.”

Over 80% of males who now identify as ‘trans’ never intend to make any bodily changes, so remain fully intact males, despite claiming a female identity.

To clarify, we share with Liverpool City Council the following dictionary definitions:

Male: of or denoting the sex that produces gametes, especially spermatozoa, with which a female may be fertilized or inseminated to produce offspring

Female: of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs, distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova) which can be fertilized by male gametes

We repeat: Women don’t have penises. This is not hate speech, it is not transphobia, it is a simple statement of biological fact.

“There is no place in our city for hatred and bigotry”

Again, we require urgent clarification from Liverpool City Council – are Liverpool ReSisters being accused of a hate crime? Is the Council united in accusing us of hatred and bigotry, and on what grounds and evidence is being used for such an accusation?

“Liverpool is a haven for inclusivity, acceptance and tolerance and we are proud to stand with our LGBT+ community in their endeavour to strengthen their rights both here and around the world”

The goals and aims of Liverpool ReSisters is to raise awareness of the potential threat to sex based rights and women’s rights from current proposed changes to law. We live in a democratic society wherein we have the privilege to debate and discuss changes to law that will affect members of our society. Our main focus is on women’s rights. We are a women’s group.

Women and girls need spaces of their own for a variety of reasons, but principally because we continue to face male violence and harassment in public and in private spaces. The World Health Organisation calls violence against women and girls a “major public health problem and a violation of women’s human rights”, and estimates that one in three women will endure violence from a partner or ex-partner, or non-partner sexual violence in their lifetime. This violence is perpetrated by males. Until this despicable violence ends, women need safe female-only spaces.

As city councillors, we would expect you to have an understanding of the need for safeguarding for women and girls, and to oversee the statutory duties of the Council to provide for the specific needs of this sex class.

Given the recent news story about Merseyside Police being unable to monitor the thousands of sex offenders on Liverpool’s streets, as well as the endemic problem of male violence, we should be prioritising the safety and safeguarding of vulnerable women and children.

Recent statistics show that 90% of all sexual incidents in public changing rooms (voyeurism, harassment, assault and rape) occur in mixed sex facilities (despite the vast majority of facilities remaining single sex). If self-id becomes law, all spaces will become mixed sex by default, and women and children will be put at much greater risk.

“TRANS WOMEN ARE WOMEN”

We encourage Liverpool City Councillors to refer to the above dictionary definitions of Male and Female.

A recent poll by Pink News/YouGov showed that only 18% of the public is in favour of self-identification. Most of the public are under the impression that transgender is the same as transsexual, completely unaware that the majority of (what is now defined as) transgender women do not undergo any treatment, continue to retain their penises and are heterosexual. Once explained, the overwhelming majority of people can see the dangers and problems with self-id. We have already seen horrendous events come to light; there will be more and the public will be unforgiving to those elected representatives who allowed this to happen.

Liverpool ReSisters fully intend to continue raising awareness about this issue.

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“That the Mayor, Cabinet Member for Communities & Partnerships and Mayoral Lead for Equalities continue to state support for our Trans community and work to ensure our city remains a welcoming city for all”

Liverpool ReSisters supports legislation drafted that benefits trans people.

We warmly welcome an open dialogue with the Mayor, Cabinet Member for Communities & Partnerships and Mayoral Lead for Equalities to discuss the importance of same-sex, female-only facilities to remain in place as outlined in the Equality Act 2010 for the safety, dignity and comfort of women and girls throughout Liverpool and across Merseyside.

We are in agreement with the Council that the city remains welcoming for all its residents.

“That our fantastic Streetscene teams continue to remove any stickers related to this campaign from our streets”

This comment infers that stickers associated with Liverpool ReSisters have been found and removed from Liverpool streets. We welcome any evidence of these stickers being found and removed by Streetscene. If no evidence can be found, we respectfully request that this inferred accusation be rescinded.

“That our planning officers actively encourage developers and businesses, where possible, to include individual gender neutral W/C facilities in public buildings”

There are six main areas set out in the Equality Act 2010 that acknowledge the need for women-only spaces, services, roles and activities and makes it lawful to exclude males (including trans-identifying males). In all cases the use of an exemption must be a proportionate means to achieve a legitimate aim.

Schedule 3 Part 7 states: “A provider can deliver separate services for men and women where providing a combined service would not be as effective. A provider can deliver separate services for men and women in different ways or to a different extent where providing a combined service would not be as effective and it would not be reasonably practicable to provide the service otherwise than as a separate service provided differently for each sex. In each case such provision has to be justified.”

We would argue that “actively encouraging developers and businesses to include gender neutral W/C facilities in public buildings” ignores these exemptions and also ignores the fact that recent statistics have shown that 90% of all sexual incidents in public changing rooms (voyeurism, harassment, assault and rape) occur in mixed sex facilities.

If Liverpool City Council wishes to follow the laudable goal of making our city welcoming for all, we would argue that encouraging mixed sex facilities in public buildings would be a backwards step.

“That for one weekend the town hall and where possible, other public buildings, are lit in the transgender colours of blue, pink and white, and that the transgender flag is flown from the town hall”

We ask the City Council where the funding for such action would be drawn from, and if public buildings would be lit up in other colours and with other flags, to maintain equality for all citizens who belong to groups covered by equality legislation.

“That partnership work is further developed by ensuring that the Community Cohesion Forum invites representation from Spirit Level and other Transgender support services, enabling Liverpool to continue to become a more inclusive and non-discriminatory place to live and work”

We remind the City Council that the Equality Act 2010 covers more than just gender reassignment, but the protected characteristics are as follows: age, disability, gender reassignment, race, religion or belief, sex, sexual orientation, marriage and civil partnership and pregnancy and maternity.

As a women’s rights group, Liverpool ReSisters encourages Liverpool City Council to invite representation from women’s rights groups in the city to enable “Liverpool to become a more inclusive and non-discriminatory place to live and work” for all residents. We welcome a dialogue with the Council to further expand on our thoughts in this regard.

As outlined in item 14 in the City Council Meeting Agenda, dated Wednesday 19 September, 2018, numerous elected representatives of Liverpool City Council have completely dismissed the valid and serious concerns by stating the phrase “transwomen are women” – in all capital letters, no less. They have not provided any explanation or qualifying statement for this belief, and no response to any of our concerns has been raised.

We encourage all councillors to consider the wider impact they will have on this issue if they follow suit with this piece of legal fiction:

  1. Liverpool City Council will show itself to no longer believe in biological reality
  1. Liverpool City Council allows that the increased risks to the safety of women and children is acceptable collateral damage for the validation of males to have access to female-only spaces, and that safeguarding is not a priority
  1. Liverpool City Council does not believe that women should have a voice in the removal of their rights as currently outlined in law

It is in the interests of our councillors not to be seen as dismissive of women’s genuine concerns.

Being inclusive should not come at the expense of the safety of vulnerable members of the community.

The issues raised by item 14 on the City Council Meeting Agenda have implications across a wide range of council businesses. Please consider them carefully, and keep the safety of women and children of highest priority when carrying out council duties, and most pressingly, when deciding whether to vote for the “transwomen are women” motion. It does not take into consideration the complexity of the issue and removes all space for debate and discussion.

We look forward to your response.

Yours Sincerely,

Liverpool ReSisters

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Prawnofthepatriarchy · 13/09/2018 12:09

A bit long, but admirably clear and well written.

LiverpoolReSisters · 13/09/2018 12:20

Thank you, yes. Probably too long, but it's a complex subject!

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TheWholeHog · 13/09/2018 12:24

Good letter. I hope you get a respectful response.

BarrackerBarmer · 13/09/2018 12:28

The council response appears to be #nodebate

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Ereshkigal · 13/09/2018 12:32

FFS.

Ereshkigal · 13/09/2018 12:33

Who is on Liverpool CC? Why are they so gung ho about this?

WarmWishes · 13/09/2018 12:37

It needs to be that long. I felt great reading that and then plunged into despair when I scrolled down and read the screenshots.

Rosemary46 · 13/09/2018 12:38

Good letter

GulagsMyArse · 13/09/2018 12:39

Great letter, points very well made.

We repeat: Women don’t have penises. This is not hate speech, it is not transphobia, it is a simple statement of biological fact.

WarmWishes · 13/09/2018 12:44

Are you actually submitting to the council for comment or is it just to be a blog post?

redshoeblueshoe · 13/09/2018 12:47

What a surprise. Sad that no one gives a shit about girls

LiverpoolReSisters · 13/09/2018 12:52

WarmWishes we have emailed every Councillor and the Mayor with this reply, and also tagged the Council and the Mayor on twitter.

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Cascade220 · 13/09/2018 12:53

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SausageOnAFork · 13/09/2018 12:57

So the response from Liverpool CC is to stick their fingers in their ears?

LiverpoolReSisters · 13/09/2018 12:58

They haven't met yet, but apparently this has gone through without debate. So much for democracy?

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Ereshkigal · 13/09/2018 12:59

Hashtag nodebate.

WarmWishes · 13/09/2018 13:01

Surely, one just one of those councillors will read it and think...hang on...

There may well not be a debate next week but hopefully, this letter might trigger some critical thinking and bravery.

LiverpoolReSisters · 13/09/2018 13:02

We sincerely hope so.

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VickyEadie · 13/09/2018 13:03

The success of the 'No debate' concept is central to the TRA campaign, isn't it?

Because if ever there is debate, people have to listen to reality and either have to admit they believe illogical statements, or publicly say they don't care.

JoggerBottom · 13/09/2018 13:05

That's just shit. Other councils will just look at Liverpool as an example and follow.

Noqont · 13/09/2018 13:07

How fucking dare they with their 'no debate' Women make up half the population. Do they and every other organisation similar to this think women will quietly go away and let our safeguarding disappear? Because we bloody well won't. Ever.

LiverpoolReSisters · 13/09/2018 13:13

Cardiff is debating Self ID. We can fight this, and we can win.

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Ereshkigal · 13/09/2018 13:14

That's encouraging!

WarmWishes · 13/09/2018 13:15

Cardiff and Newcastle are gender critical. There IS hope!

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