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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Surprise! The Masons now welcome Transwomen but not women

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Indierockandroll · 01/08/2018 07:53

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6013141/Freemasons-break-tradition-allow-women-join-brotherhood-born-male.html

OP posts:
R0wantrees · 02/08/2018 01:48

There are different lodges though aren't there? So some are more political / influential and others more social or like the rotary club?

womanformallyknownaswoman · 02/08/2018 04:09

Bloody Masons - it's time they were disbanded

EntropicTupperwareDrawer · 02/08/2018 07:12

That's interesting, thank you for the insight, puppies

The whole thing is heads we win, tails you lose for the fecking patriarchy though BIG SURPRISE.

I keep reading "Ed Lord" as "Edgelord", which actually makes a lot of sense Grin

ErrolTheDragon · 02/08/2018 07:48

The last section of Janice Turner's column in The Times today is about this

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/who-was-the-worst-leader-miliband-or-cameron-k2j8kkk60?shareToken=9f09415312427a7e839747199dbb23bf

(And another of their comment pieces is by Nigel Biggar on identity, there's another thread about that)

kalinkafoxtrot45 · 02/08/2018 07:58

I look forward to seeing the TRA protests outside lodges for their literal violence Of misgendering.

R0wantrees · 02/08/2018 08:09

There are different lodges though aren't there? So some are more political / influential and others more social or like the rotary club?

Guardian article Feb 2018:
'Two Freemasons' lodges set up at Westminster are continuing to operate
Integrity or influence? Inside the world of modern Freemasons'

(extract)
Two Freemasons’ lodges set up more than 80 years ago for members of parliament and political journalists are continuing to operate, the Guardian has learned.

New Welcome Lodge, which set up to recruit MPs, peers and parliamentary staff, and Gallery Lodge, established for members of the political press corps known as the lobby, both remain active, according to Freemasonry records (continues)

David Staples, the chief executive of the United Grand Lodge of England (UGLE), the governing body for Freemasons in England and Wales, said there was no contradiction between the practice of journalism and membership of Freemasonry.

“Contrary to populist perception, being a Freemason helps those members in roles serving society in the broader sense, including journalists, politicians, policemen and lawyers, to be better in those jobs by encouraging them to act as better people themselves. Their membership is a positive for both them as individuals, and for society at large,” he said.

More Freemasons would declare their membership, he added, if they did not fear prejudice and discrimination: “There should be no conflict between an individual choosing whether to declare their membership or not with that individual’s ability to do their job well. But there is, because some choose to believe otherwise, and some of our detractors are doing so based on nothing other than blind prejudice.”

The disclosure that both journalists and politicians are Freemasons comes after the outgoing chair of the Police Federation alleged that Freemasons were blocking reforms in policing and thwarting the progress of women and officers from black and minority ethnic communities.

After three years as the chair of the Police Federation, Steve White said: “I found that there were people who were fundamentally against any kind of change and any kind of progress, and they always happened to be Freemasons.” (continues)

www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/04/two-freemasons-lodges-operating-secretly-at-westminster

its worth considering closely the wording of the Freemason's answers as it is with regards the GRA

LaSquirrel · 02/08/2018 12:14

I look forward to seeing the TRA protests outside lodges for their literal violence Of misgendering.

Yeah, me too!

And none of them would survive the MN FWR forum rules either.

This classic clip, rather timely (again) I think.

kalinkafoxtrot45 · 02/08/2018 13:08

Great Monty Python clip!

TerfsUp · 03/08/2018 08:09

The issue is that women are not permitted, that is what we should be fighting about.

Anyone who tells me what I should and should not be fighting about can fuck off.

R0wantrees · 02/09/2018 10:41

current thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3352843-First-there-was-Jess-Bradley-then-the-Challenors-now-Edward-Lord?watched

OP PimmsnLemonade wrote:

"No direct accusations against Edward Lord (the 'non-binary' freemason who is trying to remove single-sex spaces in London) but here he is describing as a "hero" a man who was a member of the Paedophile Information Exchange (PIE) and is a continuing "advocate" for paedophiles:

twitter.com/edwardlord/status/958632082762321922

www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/10948796/Paedophilia-is-natural-and-normal-for-males.html "

Additional threads re BACP Best Practice Guide written by Lord's partener Dr Meg-John Barker, currently under review following criticism:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3339137-BACP-Gender-Sexual-and-Relationship-Diversity-by-Dr-Meg-John-Barker

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3350668-The-British-Asscoicatuon-for-Counselling-and-Psychotherapy-have-come-up-with-Definition-of-woman

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