Surprise! The Masons now welcome Transwomen but not women

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6013141/Freemasons-break-tradition-allow-women-join-brotherhood-born-male.html

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6013141/Freemasons-break-tradition-allow-women-join-brotherhood-born-male.html

I think Edward Lord's been doing a bit of PR.

So that means trans women are not women or they could not stay. Having exemptions that maintain male privilege undermines the cause.

Well, that clearly suggests that the Freemasons don't actually believe that "transwomen are women". Such transphobes. And surely no transwomen would want to be part of such a society, as it would be triggering for them?

Who he?

Logical misogyny.

What about transmen? Are they also allowed?

I'd have more of an opinion on it if I knew they did or did not allow transmen.

Either way it's quite funny. TWAW oh, right, so why are TW accepted into "the brotherhood" and Women aren't...

TW obviously still have male privilege seeing as they can be a Mason but women can't.

This is quite good actually for undermining the TRA agenda.

Hoping somebody can link to the threads, but Edward Lord is currently stealth pushing for men to be able to use women's loos in the city of London.

Funny as he's a Freemason who was criticised for not enabling transwomen to be part of the freemasons.

Apparently, trans men can if they've had surgery (and knowing the masons, they'd really check).

Just us boring women 1.0 who are a sub species.

How will they know if ftm applicants have had surgery?

I'm head scratching now because he's clearly been doing PR to justify his own cross dressing existenceand claim that TWAW (while being a prominent member of the Masons) yet surely this does indeed show tw are not women...

He also blocked me on Twitter for being a woman. I'd had no interaction with him, yet was blocked.
Seems biology does matter.

hahaha
article does say women who have become men may join, but it appears to say that this only applies after surgery
talk about a tangled web

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3320557-City-of-Londons-sneaky-Consultation-to-end-its-Single-Sex-Spaces-in-Sunday-Times

Biology I believe the initiation ritual includes breast baring to prove a manly physique. Maybe they'll extend it?

I know this because one of my friends once found her dad's rule book and we had a giggle. She was very concerned that she'd be buried up to her head in sand and they'd wait for the tide to come in. Still, we got to try on his lovely pinny, so it was a risk we were willing to let her take.

See also re: Freemasons & trans rights / City of London / Edward Lord OBE:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3317922-City-of-London-Corporation-consultation-is-out-this-covers-Hampstead-Ponds

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3316098-Childrens-Convenor-Elected-Councillor-calls-women-cunts-on-Twitter-rants

I think you’re missing the point. The issue is that women are not permitted, that is what we should be fighting about. But spend your energy trying to get trans women disallowed if you really can’t see the bigger picture here.

It's in The Times but I can't access the story
www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/freemasons-to-admit-women-if-they-first-joined-as-men-n6mrqm6zl

Actually I see it as an opportunity for fight for all women to be permitted. Why not use the situation to the advantage of women rather than automatically go into a defend and retreat position just because there are trans people involved.

article does say women who have become men may join, but it appears to say that this only applies after surgery

Apparent interesting focus of female genitals & surgery as a requirement.

from Daily Mail:
In its new policy document, the policy also asks brethren to treat anyone going through gender reassignment with the ‘utmost compassion’ and support.

It reads: ‘It is important that any situation involving gender reassignment of a Freemason is treated with the utmost compassion and sensitivity and that the individual is supported throughout the process.

‘No candidate should be subjected to questions about their gender which could make them feel uncomfortable.’

But transmen would apparently have to answer questions (& provide the 'correct' answers) about their surgery.

Some may of course be very happy to have this as a matter of public record. Some transmen (not very many though) have been very open and public in pushing forward trans rights and been at the heart of changes to law and policies.

Anyway, what do the Freemasons say about people who are non-binary? I have a feeling there could be some tension with Masonic traditions etc

Hell I don't want to join the Freemasons under any circumstances.

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The issue is that apparently Transgender women are 'real ' women - in which case as 'real women' are not eligible to be a Freemason then how can a transgender woman (as they are a 'real' woman' ) be a mason?
It's a very tangled web and this is a perfect example of the double think, inconsistency and lying used with this subject

I don't think they are happily accepting transgender people, just attempting to comply with the law.

I think you’re missing the point. The issue is that women are not permitted, that is what we should be fighting about. But spend your energy trying to get trans women disallowed if you really can’t see the bigger picture here.

The bigger picture here is that a man who believes that transwomen should have access to all women’s spaces within the city of London, because TWAW, is quite happy to be a high up member of the Freemasons - an institution which quite clearly bases its membership rules on the fact that TWAnotW

The trans policy is all mental acrobatics and doesn't surprise me. The bit that did surprise me was this - Currently, the Freemasons’s single-sex admissions policy is exempt from sex discrimination legislation

Seems there are a lot of exceptions to the laws and they all benefit one group of biology specimens. I didn't know this. So refuges and birth centres etc where wlmen are vulnerable are not specifically excluded in law but places where men have power, money and prstige as well as play silly games are all protected.