I am a science teacher teaching secondary sex education and genetics

[Clairetree1]

Ever single time. Every single time. Every single time.

I am being asked how men turn into women.

I say they can't. They turn into transwomen. These are men who change their bodies to be as much like women as possible, but are still men.

Every single time I teach pregnancy I am asked how men can do it.

Every single time we go through genetics I get a shocked response for saying "this is male, this is female"

Every single time I make any distinction between male and female I am asked "are you allowed to say that?

I equate being ordered to teach that men can become woman to previous generations of teachers being ordered to teach nazi race science.

I am quite sure I will be sacked one day

What, and your dog is now female?

If not, but you then gave it hormones because it only responded to Jackie, would it now be a female dog?

A teacher would face automatic suspension if they did that Gib

Cross dressers are trans. I have learned this from Stonewall.

The argument is no transwoman has assaulted any woman in a sex segregated space. You show evidence that is a lie, then the argument is that person isn't trans or it changes to, yes some trans people commit crimes.

So if some transwomen commit crimes, they have a penis and superior stretch, why so you feel it appreciate females are put at risk rather than trans specific spaces be an option?

YABVU. I am also a secondary school science teacher. I think it's totally immoral to push your political or religious opinions onto impressionable pupils who look up to you. Scans have shown differences in the brains of transpeople, it's a scientific fact. I am stunned that you equated teaching this to the nazis. Your intolerance disgusts me, if you were my colleague, I'd make a complaint about you to SLT.

@TamarRiver can you link to those studies?

If a biology teacher was asked how trans women have children surely it wouldn't kill them to mention trans women are women by law but are biologically unable to have children due to having different anatomy.
Most trans women still have a fully functioning penis so they have children by having sex with a woman and getting her pregnant.
Even after full surgery, there is no way they can ever get pregnant themselves.

Scans have shown differences in the brains of transpeople

Anti-social personality disordered people have been shown to have a difference in brain scans, what reasonable adjustments should be made by society to make life easier for this group to live in comfort, regardless of the damage they cause others?

Tamar brain activity isnt an indicator of sex.

Try again.

TamarRiver I hope my DC get you as their teacher and not the OP.

think it's totally immoral to push your political or religious opinions onto impressionable pupils who look up to you.

Absolutely! Teachers need to stick to the science.

Scans have shown differences in the brains of transpeople, it's a scientific fact. ah now they actually haven’t. There’s a good thread on this on here. www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3196135-Scientists-please-gather-round

Working neuroscientists critique the papers you’re referring to. Conclusion: there’s no ‘trans marker’ in these scan studies and there’s no ‘we can scan your brain and it’s a girl brain’ either.

Science teachers need to stick to the facts, not push their beliefs into kids - yup totally agree with that.

The science says that you can’t change sex. Do you belive humans can change sex?

interestingengineering.com/transgender-brains-resemble-identified-gender-reveal-mri-scans

Here's a link.

However, I don't personally think brain scans should even be necessary. If someone is consistently saying they identify as another gender, who the hell are we to say they can't? I have taught a couple of transgender pupils before, and I saw their transition as being a hugely brave thing to do. I can't imagine the mental pain and stress of feeling like your mind doesn't match your body. And the opinions expressed on this thread have shocked me with the total lack of empathy towards this condition. I think it must be the same sort of I tolerance gay people have historically experienced. It disgusts me.

Scans have shown differences in the brains of transpeople, it's a scientific fact. Not a fact at all and the meta analysis into these studies is risible.

Nope bowl as Mark Lazarus isn't a trans woman he's a cross dresser.

Christ almighty. The lengths you are having to go to these days in order to derail threads, Daim. How many times have you done the I'm pretending the Stonewall umbrella and the push for self-ID doesn't exist non sequitur now?

This. Thread. Is. About. The. Teaching. Of. Human. Reproduction. And. Genetics. In. Schools.

A generation of children have been bamboozled into thinking human beings can change sex by religious propagandists like you. Most of the women on this board think this is a bad thing. But we understand: you and the other religionists believe in the transubstantiation of human sex and think it's a great thing that kids believe it too.

Walklikeaman. Are you suggesting transpeople impact damage on society? How???

Biology: Sex is irrefutable except in a very small number of intersex cases which is part of science and biology.

Gender: A social construct open to interpretation with no biological or scientific basis.

More inaccurate high school biology from anti-trans movement.

Sex is a bimodal distribution. Male and female are the terms we give to the fuzzy sets clustered around the two peaks. As we learn more about an individual - for instance as gender indentity informs our assessment of likely brain pattern - and/or through medical intervention we may need to re-assign people from one fuzzy set to the other. That is colloquially called "changing sex". It is scientific reality.

One can only teach that sex can't be changed by wrongly, and against the science, teaching that sex is a binary distribution. Sadly it seems some do that out of ideology.

so hang on, which part of the fuzzy peak does having a cock and balls put you on?

Sex is a bimodal distribution. Male and female are the terms we give to the fuzzy sets clustered around the two peaks. As we learn more about an individual - for instance as gender indentity informs our assessment of likely brain pattern - and/or through medical intervention we may need to re-assign people from one fuzzy set to the other. That is colloquially called "changing sex". It is scientific reality.

That’s a description that fits what we might call gender. It’s not one that fits sex.

Can I ask what your scientific credentials are?

That is colloquially called "changing sex". It is scientific reality

And does it also apply to other animals?

I am also a secondary school science teacher.

Gosh, how wonderful that you found yourself able to contribute to this thread on only your second post on Mumsnet. Amazing that you just happened along with this super specific expertise.

One can only teach that sex can't be changed by wrongly, and against the science, teaching that sex is a binary distribution. Sadly it seems some do that out of ideology.

Do you believe humans can change sex?

I mean where I was going with my post is a cock and balls is pretty fucking binary. you're either born with tackle or you aren't.

let's leave intersex people out of this as they have so heartily requested.

Male and female are the terms we give to the fuzzy sets clustered around the two peaks.

This doesn't even work on the Twatter any more!

I really do think you guys need some new arguments.

"Do you believe humans can change sex?"

The science says yes

Langcleg. I only just got the app. I've got to start somewhere. :) What point are you trying to make exactly?