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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Trans unpeak.

353 replies

Regularhuey · 20/04/2018 20:42

After reaching peak trans I have followed a few well known Radical Feminist groups on SM to learn more.

Sadly I have come across actual genuine transphobia in GC groups which I thought was just propaganda put out by TRAs.

Because I only ever hung around in naice intellectual spaces such as here, I thought they would all be a bit like MN feminist chat.

One summary of a conversation went along the lines of

Group post
"There's a Transwoman fitting bras at a London branch of M&S" Shock face.

Replies include "oh no (angry face) I'm never taking my daughter there"

Me:
"Men can work as a bra fitter. We should be able to ask staff for a female fitter if we want one"

Cue loads of hypothetical scenarios that we don't know will ever happen and predictable posts about AGP and boycotting M&S.

Anyway this is just one example of many I've come across recently.

I just suppose, as GC feminists perhaps we should be doing more to call out transphobia when we do see it because it seems lots of people are using GC feminism to express their hostility to Transpeople.

OP posts:
Teacuphiccup · 20/04/2018 23:04

Shock Lang!!

What happens if you have to run for a bus?

lenaperkins · 20/04/2018 23:05

I am a gender critical feminist ... who is horrified by self-id, and although I'm straight, I feel fucking furious for lesbians for being told who to sleep with.
But, I have zero against trans people.
How would I feel about me or my daughter having bra fittings by a trans woman? It would depend on my instinct in the particular situation Bit on the fence about this tbh.
BUT for the record, friend of mine took her daughter for fitting, and this trans woman fitter apparently knows her shit!

Rufustheconstantreindeer · 20/04/2018 23:08

teacup

I should have put in more Grin

I was only teasing Grin

I did have lovely little boobs

Then kids and BOOM!!!!

(And the weight...its not all their fault!! But it is mostly Grin)

spontaneousgiventime · 20/04/2018 23:09

Teacuphiccup I was only teasing too Flowers

ReluctantCamper · 20/04/2018 23:10

I'll just repeat. nipples below elbows is a possibility for me. I really feel that I need underwire.

I haven't passed the pencil test since I was 12 years old.

Rufustheconstantreindeer · 20/04/2018 23:10

BUT for the record, friend of mine took her daughter for fitting, and this trans woman fitter apparently knows her shit!

Not if she works for marks and sparks she doesnt Smile

Teacuphiccup · 20/04/2018 23:11

😂😂 I think I need another ‘u ok hun?’

Teacuphiccup · 20/04/2018 23:11

What is the pencil test???

LangCleg · 20/04/2018 23:12

What happens if you have to run for a bus?

I live in the countryside. There haven't been any buses since austerity began! Wink

Seriously though: don't wear bras. One of the perks (pun not intended) of working from home.

ReluctantCamper · 20/04/2018 23:13

Can you put a pencil under your nork without it falling down.

I have no need of a pencil case.

Teacuphiccup · 20/04/2018 23:13

Ooooooooh you’re my new hero Lang!

Rufustheconstantreindeer · 20/04/2018 23:14

reluctant

At the moment i am a 34 G , previously was a 34f for ages

And some of my bras have no under wire

I will try and figure out which ones they were...im thinking freya was one but to be honest freya isnt bad price wise but my favourite bra was quite pricey

AngryAttackKittens · 20/04/2018 23:14

If a crop top works as a bra for you then you must have non enormous boobs privilege.

Also, what Barracker said. So good it's worth saying twice!

"Here's my rule of thumb.

If touching is involved, or nakedness, or bodily vulnerability, or intimate healthcare or anything that is specific to my sex, then the default provision should be same sex provider, and if that is impossible as the default, then it MUST be an option I can request, and there must be a bloody good reason as to why it was apparently impossible to find a female. Providing me with a male in those circumstances must be an absolute last resort, and one I can opt out of, and arguably, it might be better to have no service at all than one that might make women profoundly uncomfortable and likely to avoid availing themselves of the service entirely.

No male, no transwoman should be the default in those circumstances.

This is a basic principle of bodily dignity and fairness that has been in our society for ages, and is why we don't have male security guards patting down women in airports with a sign saying 'ask for a woman if you really really must, bigot'

If you are serving me coffee or servicing my car or doing my accounts I do not care what sex (or gender identity) you are as it is entirely irrelevant to your job.

women's bodies; women's boundaries; women's wishes."

Teacuphiccup · 20/04/2018 23:14

What??? That makes no sense.
I’m trying this.

Rufustheconstantreindeer · 20/04/2018 23:14

reluctant

I can fit the full pencil case

And a calculator

ReluctantCamper · 20/04/2018 23:16

I'll see your calculator and raise you a set square, protractor and compass.

Greymisty · 20/04/2018 23:16

I have boobs...as mentioned earlier E cup to G cup depending on the week and crop bras are awesome.

I don't care if my nips are besties with my elbows Grin

Teacuphiccup · 20/04/2018 23:17

Well the pencil stayed in place but I think that’s because my boobs are sweaty from my two crop tops.

TotallyLibrarianPoo · 20/04/2018 23:17

Well okay Rufus I'll accept that[solemn face]

I gots nay boobs ( according to my grandma, loved hearing that through my teen years ), so you see crop bras are v important to me. It literally killed me when you denied my croppers were 'real bras'.Grin

Greymisty · 20/04/2018 23:18

Oh and not all crop bras are created equal.

Rufustheconstantreindeer · 20/04/2018 23:20

reluctant

Give me a minute and I'll try my ipad

Rufustheconstantreindeer · 20/04/2018 23:21

Right

Thats not working cos im a bit sweaty Grin

Teacuphiccup · 20/04/2018 23:22

If we don’t hear from rufus again we know her iPad smashed

Rufustheconstantreindeer · 20/04/2018 23:22

totally

How are you still posting if you are literally dead

Huh? Huh?

Grin
ReluctantCamper · 20/04/2018 23:22

Give me a minute and I'll try my ipad

Grin