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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Trans unpeak.

353 replies

Regularhuey · 20/04/2018 20:42

After reaching peak trans I have followed a few well known Radical Feminist groups on SM to learn more.

Sadly I have come across actual genuine transphobia in GC groups which I thought was just propaganda put out by TRAs.

Because I only ever hung around in naice intellectual spaces such as here, I thought they would all be a bit like MN feminist chat.

One summary of a conversation went along the lines of

Group post
"There's a Transwoman fitting bras at a London branch of M&S" Shock face.

Replies include "oh no (angry face) I'm never taking my daughter there"

Me:
"Men can work as a bra fitter. We should be able to ask staff for a female fitter if we want one"

Cue loads of hypothetical scenarios that we don't know will ever happen and predictable posts about AGP and boycotting M&S.

Anyway this is just one example of many I've come across recently.

I just suppose, as GC feminists perhaps we should be doing more to call out transphobia when we do see it because it seems lots of people are using GC feminism to express their hostility to Transpeople.

OP posts:
Rufustheconstantreindeer · 20/04/2018 22:46

I am watching 'I still know what you did last summer' so there may be some cross over fear from that

Though i have seen it eleventy billion times

Also fact

Rufustheconstantreindeer · 20/04/2018 22:47

My boobs would slip out completely grey

They'd be by my knees before i knew it

spontaneousgiventime · 20/04/2018 22:48

If I have to put up or shut up and accept a man measuring me I will buy full length vests and tuck them in my knickers.

HopScotchy · 20/04/2018 22:49

ReluctantCamper- exactly. And that would apply in any situation whatsoever even if it was based on some kind of prejudice because that's how intimate boundaries work. However, the point I am trying to stress is women are not saying 'no transwomen' we are saying 'no males'. The activists are trying to say we are saying 'no transwomen' so they can pretend it's bigoted. That's why they say 'replace transwoman with black and see how it reads. Nope, replace transwoman with man and then see how it reads.

ReluctantCamper · 20/04/2018 22:49

I haven't worn a crop bra since the 90's and puberty. I now require german engineering for my norks. Aint no underwired bra going to cut it.

crop bras - not real bras. I know it might be hurtful to hear it, but it's the truth.

Teacuphiccup · 20/04/2018 22:50

reluctant thanks for my second ‘u ok hun’ of the day, and weirdly my life Grin

BettyFloop · 20/04/2018 22:50

I wish Mumsnet had a 'like' button - so many comments here I've been in agreement with.

But, overall, it's a bit of an odd thread (even for this board, lately... Confused) - or is that just me?

TotallyLibrarianPoo · 20/04/2018 22:51

I'm sorry Rufus I do quite adore you, but in this I stand with Teacup

CROP BRAS ARE BRAS.

I feel better nowGrin

ReluctantCamper · 20/04/2018 22:51

yes HopScotchy, that's it precisely. Transwomen are male and once you can say that objections to intimate examinations etc are fine.

HopScotchy · 20/04/2018 22:51

I'm getting the feeling I should be wearing some kind of hard hat incase one of you turns around suddenly.

Teacuphiccup · 20/04/2018 22:52

I think my breasts didn’t get the memo about puberty, I’ve worn crop bras for years now.

ReluctantCamper · 20/04/2018 22:52

non-underwired bra. Aint no Non-underwired bra going to cut it.

christ.

Rufustheconstantreindeer · 20/04/2018 22:53

hop

Ive been known to knock small children over

How tall are you?

Rufustheconstantreindeer · 20/04/2018 22:55

totally

Oh god im torn now...

Errrrmmmm crop bras are a valid lifestyle choice for those small of boob

ReluctantCamper · 20/04/2018 22:56

so I might be reaching peak underwire. what sort of support are you getting from these crop bra suckers? I have a rule that my nipples must be higher than my elbows - do you think they're up to the train?

ReluctantCamper · 20/04/2018 22:57

Strain, not train

my typing tonight...

Teacuphiccup · 20/04/2018 22:57

Sorry I forgot the hand clap

👏 crop 👏 bras 👏 are 👏 bras 👏

#checkyournorkprivilege

spontaneousgiventime · 20/04/2018 22:58

UGH when the underwire pokes out and pokes you too many pokes You only know the joy of taking off your bra when you've worn it all day & been poked with the underwire.

Rufustheconstantreindeer · 20/04/2018 22:59

reluctant

Well made bras quite often dont need underwire

One of my favourites didnt have underwire

It was truly a miracle of modern engineering

Must pop into my usual bra shop and but some...must lose weight first Grin

Teacuphiccup · 20/04/2018 22:59

Genuinely though. I get great support, but I think it depends on the size of your norkacles.

When my breasts are bigger because I’m on my period or if I go for a run I wear two.

spontaneousgiventime · 20/04/2018 23:00

Teacuphiccup I hate you, I mean I really, really hate you. If I wore a crop top I'd trip over mine.

Rufustheconstantreindeer · 20/04/2018 23:01

teacup

I really dont think you understand what a pain big boobs are

I blame my children ( and the nearly 5 stone weight gain since having them Grin easier to blame the children)

Teacuphiccup · 20/04/2018 23:03

No I totally do, I was just stealthboasting about my ironing board.

LangCleg · 20/04/2018 23:03

so I might be reaching peak underwire

If I'm honest, I don't really care who works as a bra fitter since I reached peak bra about two decades ago and don't bother wearing them!

BettyFloop · 20/04/2018 23:04

so I might be reaching peak underwire.

Underwire is torture in my book. Peaked there already. If I had to choose I'd go crop.
Actual choice though - sans bra Grin