'Engaging trans people in swimming' (aka penises are ok in the lady's changing rooms, but transmen must cover their breasts)

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www.swimming.org/library/documents/2857/download

"You may need to do some education work with other centre users who may be concerned when sharing a
space with a trans person, especially if a trans customer looks to have different physical characteristics to the
gender they are identifying with i.e. a male to female trans customer who has not had top or bottom surgery
may still look like a male to others, and conversely with female to male trans customers.
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"You should adopt a zero tolerance policy on any transphobic
behaviour from staff or centre users.

1. Try to encourage your workforce to be aware of any potential

transphobia likely to happen before or after a session, both in or around the centre, and empower them to challenge transphobic language, attitudes and behaviours from other staff members, customers and the general public too."

"Some swimmers who were born female but now identify
differently may wear what is called a ‘binder’ – this is a
tight piece of material that is wrapped around the top half
of the body in order to compress breasts to conceal them
behind clothing. This is perfectly safe to swim in, and
should be encouraged."

"Some swimmers may have a preference to wear less
clothing than usually expected. For example, some
swimmers may not want to wear anything on their top half,
so as to identify with their new gender, but if they have
not had top surgery this means that this person’s breasts
will be clearly visible. This needs to be talked about and an
amicable solution found. This may be appropriate to allow
during a trans specific session, but if a trans swimmer is
attending any other session in the timetable, then they
should be appropriately covered up – you wouldn’t allow a
woman to swim topless in a public session, and you need
to treat everyone the same."

So basically trans-identified women must cover up, but trans-identified men can shower nude with women and the women needed to be 'educated' to understand this. And if anyone complains turf them out under the 'zero tolerance against transphobia' policy.

Betsy I think those figures mean that most of the TIM who have surgery keep their meat and veg but have breast implants and facial surgery. There are a bunch of them on twitter who happily show off these anatomical facts for all to see.

This is honestly reminding me of The Emperors New Clothes.

It took a child near the end to say But he doesn't have anything on!

When is common sense going to prevail. They are men and that is that.

To be fair, the genital surgery is so horrific that I can imagine it's sensible not to undergo it however bad your dysphoria is. I don't think it's necessarily indicative of much to say that most TIMs (and the vast majority of TIFs) don't have genital surgery.

I do agree, however, that there's a particularly nasty section of the TIM community who like to show off their boobs and dicks at the same time.

I agree secret

But the one trans young person i know personally is being persuaded to have the bottom part done by their online 'friends'

Apparently they've all had it done....

I have told their mum the statistics

Here's a guy testing the law in Denmark, presuming they have similar law. At least I hope he's testing the law.

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/\ sorry just checked back to see this has already popped up.

I think it's a test, like our mass dive-in at the men's pond. More, please, especially men who look really butch, followed by TV crews. Except there is no Self-ID form for them to use here yet, we'll have to mock one up, translated from the Danish?

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