Ham pr disasters 46! …NATO nuisance and surprise appearances abound!

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the Discussion continues! , we are still interested and still not bored 😁

I don't think he will ever see it. He's as Machiavellian as she is. They are perfect for each other

I think the pair of them have made a mess of the "Megxit" . In the sense they have only 10s of millions rather than 100s of millions or whatever . & most of that by trashing H's family. 😂at only 10s of millions - this is not my world.

I actually think M is doing the right think by remaining low key at the moment. Obviously not completely , The Advent Calendar is going to invite ridicule for the price. I don't believe pub car park photos were paparazzi photos for a moment.

I think their bigger problem is H's charity appearances are not portraying him as a sensible patron. They are attracting ridicule . I am sure they and the children will be here until the IG. However , I'm not are they are upping their game in popularity with the UK public.

The thing i always found very odd was H's huge turnabout regarding Catherine. They were always very close and he said she was the sister he never had.

I have watched Tom Sykes once or twice, he was the one who exposed the Sussex having a WhatsApp group with journalists, which was fun to have the speculation about them feeding the media, actually confirmed. I have watched Kinsey, she sometimes has good guests on, but I cannot stand her as an interviewer so cannot watch her. I think Royals uncensored is probably the best of them,, and as much as I don’t like Piers Morgan I kind of support him for no other reason than he lost his job for speaking, what we now know is, the truth about H&M. I am also enjoying his spat with Charles Spencer and how he has been able to knock CS back into his hole, it feels like poetic justice.

I don’t don’t follow any of them or watch them regularly, but I would watch an episode if someone refers to something interesting on one of the shows.

That's what I recall too. Plus, didn't Tom Bower mention it in his book Revenge? She played all the cards to get that proposal.

Yes and didn't her ex hubby say he knew she "would lock it down"

So the first six people in the LoS have to ask the reigning monarch for permission to marry... Could a situation arise in 20/25 years time where Archie or Lilibet have to ask their Uncle William for permission to marry??!

HaM would combust!!!

How much does he see of the children? As opposed to their nanny/nannies?

It's an odd dynamic. It reminds me a lot of Edward and Wallis and they remained married for almost 35 years until Edward's death.

• The power imbalance of a parent-child type relationship - like Wallis, Meghan treats Harry as a child when they're out in public - constantly steering him/patting his back
• They sort of trapped each other - Meghan used to claim that she gave up her life and acting career 😂for him. Harry literally gave up the royal family for her. Now they are trapped and sort of exiled together, no longer really welcome anywhere apart from a few influencers, Soho House and a couple of pet billionaires that give them freebies. Just like Wallis felt herself trapped when Edward abdicated that she had to stay. I do wonder if both couples thought that the royal family/government would cave and ask them back - but the call never came for either.
• isolation. They moved to the US and into Covid lockdown and nothing to do - then they sold family conversations for cash to Oprah/Spare etc. Now nobody trusts them and you could never trust them to keep a secret - they won't even keep their own security issues secret. Pretty much like Edward, Wallis and the Nazi's - it's now known that Edward leaked military secrets, using his wartime role as a British Military attaché which helped the Nazi's invade France. The Duke also encouraged the bombing of London to force Britain's capitulation.
• Harry's infatuation with Meghan - I think he is needy and it stings that only one woman was prepared to marry him (he's the Prince of England doncha know!). Edward was also submissive yet manipulative and totally infatuated
• Similar public narratives. Meghan portrayed as the social climbing actress who forced Harry to leave the royal family - very similar to Wallis portrayed as a calculating socialite who seduced a king and forced him to abdicate for her. It was a great narrative for selling stories - at first. Now Harry and Meghan want to move back and pick up royal life again - but it's not really working in a similar way that the Windsors wanted to return to Britain during the War but were considered a political and security liability - so were sent off to the Bahamas instead.

Could a situation arise in 20/25 years time where Archie or Lilibet have to ask their Uncle William for permission to marry??!

I suppose it would depend whether they wanted to keep their places in the LoS.

One or more of the Wales children might have children by then in any case, pushing A & L down the line of succession.

Or the law might be changed to make it only those in the direct line, to avoid such a situation.

I do wonder what will happen when the Hamlets are old enough to make contact on their own account.

I am amusing myself with the idea that H was served a very special pie, along the lines of Minnie's special pie for Hilly in The Help.

Theoretically possible if they choose to remain in the LoS but in 20-25 years
George will be 33-38
Charlotte will be 31-36
Louis will be 28-33

Chances are that Archie and Lilibet will have been knocked down a couple of places by then.

In the 1950s Princess Anne was 2nd in the LoS - now down to 19th - the only way is down for Harry now that his branch won't inherit

I think the late Queen was matching his phrasing. Nothing more. His wording was begrudging in tone and rude - given who she was, so her reply was similar.

the Windsors wanted to return to Britain during the War but were considered a political and security liability - so were sent off to the Bahamas instead

I think it’s fascinating, @Lunde, that even there the Duke of Windsor got mixed up with the scandal of the Sir Harry Oakes murder. That man seemed to attract trouble and upset and drama. He made himself absent from the Bahamas for the trial, so he didn’t have to give evidence. The culprit remains unknown.

Yes that scandal was totally weird - the way that the Duke ignored British investigative procedures and prevented the Bahamian police from investigating and instead inserted himself into the investigation and hired two police officers from Miami who had been his bodyguards to run the case.

The investigation was botched. They jumped to the conclusion that it was the son-in-law and didn't interview anyone else. Evidence gathering was bungled, the "fingerprint evidence" was falsified by the Miami detectives, Edward left the country during the trial and the suspect was acquitted.

So many theories remain
His indebted business partner
Mysterious assassins
Maffia involvement in casino developments
Nazi involvement
A dodgy scheme to channel money through Mexico (which IIRC Edward was part of)

... but the crime was never solved

I’ve been having a mini break ( non Mumsnet personal worries) but I have to pop on to assure you life ….my cheese hat is tasty ….and I will happily chow down with all who have to!!😁

Well it’s odd that it hasn’t come out about what school they go to.

H is here and he's a full time father. Would he really be in UK without his kids ?

I agree with you, I would not put anything past them.

My niece is a textbook cause of a narcissist. Kids would and do not stand in her way.

I've also gone off Shauna Kay since she's starting seriously waving her anti KC3 flag. She used to be much more impartial. As for her and Lownie, they almost flirt with each other, it makes me squirm.

I don't mind Lownie and don't think he's seriously anti-monarchy... he makes good points about accountability and transparency.

I’ve almost given up on trying to keep up with these threads. Especially as the website version on my iPad is almost defunct. Have now resorted to trying to figure out my way around the app.

I am pleased that it hasn’t come about which school they go to, where they’re living, etc. And I really hope the press stick to it remaining that way. The public don’t need to know. And they don’t need any more excuses to be crying out for security. I’m hoping that, the longer they’re here, then the more obvious it becomes that no one is outing their locations. Apart from the “pap” shots of their various pub visits. The ones of them at the pub together are so obviously staged.

Am still pretty flummoxed as to why they’ve come back, not least because “I can’t see a time when … “. But I don’t think it’s anything visa-related. I think it’s all to do with the kids, they need them to be back here to secure how “royal” the kids are. It will be killing M to do so, and will be interesting to see how long she can keep it up for. She’s definitely not daft, she’ll have been getting her ducks in a row the whole time, she knows she’s got a lucrative out when she’s ready. And Harry has facilitated all of it, he’s definitely a floundering fish.

Meanwhile, W & C continue to do “royal” very well. Lovely relationships on both sides of the family. And the kids seem to be doing well. What a contrast.

My biggest takeaway in all of this is imagining how I’d feel if my sibling had done the very long list of what Harry has done. I’d be devastated. Someone who I absolutely loved, doing all of that. I’d feel bereft. Let alone it playing out in the public domain.

Ideal scenario for me would be that they realise the UK isn’t going to work for them. Go back to Cali, get the kids resettled, appreciate what they have as a couple, settle into a quieter life. It’s obviously never going to happen, but it could be so much better if they could do it.

The pub has been Markled 😂

Someone asked if Harry might have now realised himself what Meghan is like and that she controls their life. I looked at the pub pap walk pictures:
They are walking together and holding hands but they aren’t physically close.
There seems to be no interaction between them and no smiles from either of them.
H is fidgeting with his spare hand - it’s in his pocket then up scratching his ear. Of course he might genuinely have had an itchy ear.
It appears that, as soon as the pap shots are deemed over, M drops his hand and zooms off fast towards the pub. She is 5ft ahead of him in seconds. H somewhat meekly follows looking not happy at all.

It doesn’t look like it’s going to warm up into a fun date night. If these are HAM produced pap photos they are not trying to show intimacy and happiness. She’s an actress, a giggly expression could have been used if she had wanted to.

So, if they have been published with M / their joint approval, presumably it’s because M is ok to let the world know it’s not all sweetness and light chez HAM.

Prelude to spending more time apart?

These two points don't make much sense to me. Who actually gets a certain privileged property for life just because they once did a certain job? Once Kelly was no longer working for the Queen she didn't need to be around Windsor. The King bought Kelly a house near her family, so she can hardly complain.

As for the Queen supposedly giving Kelly the "blessing" (whatever that is) to write a book and Charles supposedly rescinding that, what does this even mean? Did the last Queen say "of course, dear Angela, write a book about me and my family from the perspective of a self-proclaimed insider and put whatever you want about us in it" and Charles put a stop to that? I'm sure if there had been any official agreement from the Queen it would have had legal conditions attached to it, an NDA and the suchlike.

I just looked this book thing up, and there are only a few stories from dubious outlets about Charles apparently not wanting Kelly to commercially exploit the words "palace" and "king". Does this mean he's fine with her commercially exploiting the words "Windsor" and "Queen" though? Would Charles be ok with her giving the proceeds to charity, because that wouldn't be commercial exploitation?

I agree, @BunnyBunbunbun. AK has got a house for life, which is a good reward by any standard. I'm highly sceptical about the whole story of what was promised and what was rescinded.