Do you believe Charles Spencer about Charles Windsor's reported remark?

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Do you believe Charles Spencer that Charles Windsor said to him during a phone call "we'll forget her soon enough."

I agree with this. Charles is far too careful what he says and to whom.

At that point, if anything, Diana's death made life more difficult for Charles. He was gradually rehabilitating Camilla into British life and they were co-parenting well and life had settled down for all concerned. The press were still chasing Diana all over the place because it sold copy and still does but she had been far more circumspect in her behaviour for a long time because she was in a relationship with Hasnat Khan and he hated all the rigmarole.

I'm beginning to wonder if Earl Spencer is quite well.

Diana twigged before they even got married. But “It’s too late Duch your face is on the tea towels.

Yes

Back to Earl Spencer (is that his actual title? Or is it Lord Spencer?)

His book "A Very Private School" was actually well written but holy fuck it was a hard read. If he's recounting his childhood memories even close to accurate- that little boy was abused. Badly.

Moving forward, I've read that CS has done "Hoffman Therapy". If that is true, it demonstrates how desperate he must be to improve his mental health. The Hoffman Institute has largely been debunked as snake-oil for the rich.

I think he's quite damaged emotionally. Yes, he can write books and do TV interviews sounding like an intelligent, rational person - which he is. He can be an Earl, custodian of a massive estate, brother of Diana, uncle of the future King and still be well fucked up.

He's done wrong by selling off his sister's story like this, but part of me feels sorry for him. Money doesn't buy happiness and all that.

I think that a lot of children who went to boarding school at that time were abused. My dad, same age as Charles Spencer, won a scholarship to boarding school when he was a child. He told me that he was badly abused and would never send a child of his own to boarding school

I'm sorry to hear that X

It was how it was. They were horrible places full of abuse. There was no student welfare in those days

Poor man. It's true to say that Charles Spencer's experience was similarly horrific, and his book about it is a harrowing read. He's clearly a very damaged man. That takes a lot of healing.

What about if he meant it as a threat though Lougle in the heat of the moment?

To me it sounds like that, said after a pause according to CS, that KC made up his mind then and there that Diana would be forgotten if he had anything to do with it.

Prince Charles hired Mark Bolland one year before Princess Diana's death remember

And sorry to repeat it but that PR campaign is what Patrick Jephson said was linked;

“to a pretty vile campaign to publicise a bogus psychiatric diagnosis that Princess Diana had a personality disorder.”

“This may have cost the Prince a lot of money, paying for PR spin doctors”

“I think it also raises ethical question marks over the methods they (Prince Charles’ PR representatives) have used.”

To me all of these details add up.

No, and of course children weren't believed. At least he didn't replicate it by sending his own children to boarding school, as many people do.

Spencer made a comment in his speech at his wedding to Victoria, something about staying together through thick and thin, and that she was thick and certainly thin. She has anorexia. It was probably supposed to be funny, but so unpleasant. No surprises that they divorced.
I am sorry that he was abused at boarding school and no doubt this has had a lifelong effect, but he hardly seems like the font of human kindness.

True. Those who are abused often become abusers, unless they work very hard to get help and support.

The school I went to in Australia was about 80/20 day students to boarding. Never heard anything bad from the boarding students, they liked it. This was 1990's and an all girl school.

Before anyone gets upset, I'm told boarding school in the UK and everywhere else is much better now!

Diana said of her brother that he was an abusive husband and a terrible brother. Not a huge recommendation.

Yes we are really talking about the time when Earl Spencer went to boarding school, which was long before the 1990s. They were full of abuse at that stage. Earl spencer wrote that he was sexually absused at the school at age 11.
My dad went to a boarding school at the same time. He told me he was also sexually and physically abused. My dad never got over it and would talk about the abuse until late in his life.

NONE of that gives any credibility to what Spencer has said.

Yes, the marriage was doomed.
And for reasons it's clear to understand with hindsight.
It was a very unfortunate marriage - in essence an arranged marriage.
Charles was under huge pressure to marry.

If you weren't a mature adult then you won't have lived through his romances and the enormous pressure from his parents to find the right bride.
It was a mistake.

You could argue that Diana's behaviour where she slept with numerous men, many married, was not good behaviour and for her sons to be subjected to that very public behaviour was damaging.
At least Charles has been faithful in effect to one woman.

That doesn't mean the King said those things.

I was well into my 30s when Diana died.

I saw the way Charles behaved when she died. Anyone who saw him arrive on the tarmac, leaving the plane, after going to identify her body would know he looked a broken man.

Wasn't it CS who either introduced Diana to Bashir or encouraged her to do the interview?

He probably carries some guilt about that if so.

He couldn't publish the book until now as certain people are no longer alive.

But did he really have to do it at all?

It seems to me that like Harry he is unburdening himself.

Really, she said that? I've read an awful lot of books and seen a lot of podcasts but that's new to me. Interesting.

It was in some letters she wrote apparently.

That's so horrific. I'm sure you felt so angry for him.
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I genuinely can't understand anyone who thinks that - what Charles looks like in front of cameras, is what he is actually like.

People act their best in front of other people. My friend told me that her grandfather was very well respected in her community. That out in public, he was a nice kind man.

Behind closed doors she said that he was an extremely abusive man

Emmm to be really honest. No.

My Dad became very abusive, sexually abusive, cold and mean himself.

So I was more dealing with this, then feeling angry about his childhood

Wasn't she estranged from him when she died? I know that she wasn't speaking to her mother, and I think one of her sisters.

Yes she was. They are a hugely complicated family!

Bloody hell. You really think someone can turn on looking devastated for the press?

You presumably weren't around or old enough to watch it live.

I can assure you it wasn't acting and for someone distraught it was a massive intrusion of privacy.

This wasn't a Bashir interview where someone had a script.