Do you believe Charles Spencer about Charles Windsor's reported remark?

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Do you believe Charles Spencer that Charles Windsor said to him during a phone call "we'll forget her soon enough."

No, I've read plenty of accounts which said otherwise.

If it's true, which it probably is (I mean you only have to look at charles to see how stiff, cold and entitled he is), maybe he should give dive up a palace or two as a way of apology. We gave him the money for them anyway. Can we all stop making out like we know him and he's a lovely man because he waved at the crowd we were in once, years ago. We see his carefully manicured tv persona. Not the real him. Ooh Matron!

£40 million liquid assets. Not fixed assets like buildings. And the art collection alone is estimated to be worth between 45 and 90 million. He is not short of a bob.
Selling a few paintings could bring in as much as this book and for far less work.

Well if they did shag on the eve of his wedding he wasn't unfaithful in his marriage was he !😏

In all fairness, and I'm being generous here, he said a lot more than that one line. Excruciating as it is. It was an evolving conversation between two lovers that should never have been made public.

It’s been explained previously why now.

Neither of his parents made seventy.

Rochard Kay said this is the first time he can write a book without hurting his sister who was married to the senior courtier, Robert Fellowes, who died recently, and not put them in a difficult position, and also he can write now without hurting his late godmother, QE2 or Prince Philip,

Plus I feel that he has a burning desire to right some of the injustices done to his family and his sister by King Charles and the royal machine,

Just that little anecdote about Princess Margaret meeting Diana outside of Kensington Palace just after Diana had lost her HRH title and saying to her;

“ Don’t worry Diana, you will only have to curtsey to me in public from now on”

gives a good hint I think of that toxic family and how they operate. I’m not saying they are all like that but it points to what they consider important.

And as has been said before, it’s not healthy to have a head of state who is so shrouded in secrecy and deference that we are not allowed to know much about their finances or their state of health, or challenge their decisions and behaviour.

I had no idea Margaret had said that.
It's all snidy and mean. Just like the kings latest statement

Yes and he just sold some land that he couldn’t farm thanks to chronic fly tipping to the tune of £60 million, so I don’t think this is about money,

Charles was having an emotional affair with Camilla throughout the marriage. We don't know for sure, but the evidence suggests that Diana may have been the first to be physically unfaithful.

Yes, let's be honest, it wasn't great from the start.

You see this is why the king benefitted from Diana's death. If she was alive she would pour scorn on that idea

Charles & Diana both had affairs. The marriage was a disaster waiting to happen. Neither is blameless but Diana used the media knowing she could get away with it in a way that her ex husband couldn't.

Why would Diana pour scorn on “that idea” - it would be an instant invitation for Julia Carling and others to share their thoughts on Diana’s approach to fidelity.

Yes, I do believe Charles probably said some unpleasant, hurtful things. Was it those exact words? Maybe, maybe not.
But like a previous poster said, all families have their toxic elements, and things between Diana and Charles were in a bad way. All that bad feeling and animosity won't have disappeared the minute she died.

Are the Spencer family not well acknowledged to be a bit excitable in the mental health stakes? Charles Spencer doesn’t look a well man to me, and I’ve read plenty of examples of his father and grandfather and I think also maternal ancestors going back generations being “eccentric” alcoholism and behaving dreadfully, whereas a commoner would have been shoved off to the local mental institute, they write a book! A legacy of madness and suicide is what I remember reading…

I think there is a chance HE believes what he’s saying - that is NOT the same as it being true.

If anyone has ever experienced a heated exchange (particularly where one side is very emotional) where they are then accused of something they didn’t say - you know this happens. People sometimes hear what they expect to be said rather than what was actually said.

I had this rather funny experience one time where I unexpectedly got into an argument with someone. They accused me of saying something I didn’t say. By some crazy fate I had accidentally dropped my phone during the argument and recorded it by accident!!! I kid you not. They swore up and down I said something terrible. We then were able to listen to the recorded version - they were wrong!!! We laughed and took the lesson to heart. Really thankful for that experience/lesson.

I do believe Diana was topped. I don't believe he said this. It makes no sense. Nobody with any brain cells would imagine that anybody would forget Diana in any way. She was iconic and had taken the hearts of the world. It's a daft thing to even imagine saying. Also, it makes no sense in the context of her death. He had two young sons who would remember her forever. Her death was a hugely public affair, especially given the circumstances. Only a fool would think she could be forgotten, and he's no fool no matter what you think of his personality.

That's interesting, isn't it? I'm sure that's happened to many of us. Emotions run high, and things get interpreted differently. We all know that memories can be inaccurate.

And if you believe that, you believe anything!

Since when does a royal prince deny themselves anything?

Camilla was at the wedding fhs!

She took Diana out to lunch while Charles was in Australia to determine whether Diana intended to hunt.

And according to quite a few royal biographers and historical accounts, Prince Charles went hunting/shooting or meeting with Camilla immediately after returning from his 1981 honeymoon with Princess Diana

And for a couple of years after that, staff have testified to the fact that as Diana drove out of Highgrove with the dc, ten minutes later, Camilla drove in!

Yes...

Would she? We now know that she was the primary source for Andrew Morton's book, "Diana: Her True Story". In that she does not allege that Charles was physically unfaithful to her prior to her affairs, just that he was conducting an emotional affair with Camilla.

We don't know what happened for sure. What we do know is that, following their marriage in 1981, Diana had an affair with her bodyguard in 1985 (possibly only emotional). By 1986 she and Charles were largely living separate lives and she was having an affair with James Hewitt, something both she and Hewitt have confirmed. We don't know when Charles was first physically unfaithful. But, if Diana was sure he had been physically unfaithful first, I'm sure she would have told Morton.

Not that it really matters. Outside aristocratic circles it would be expected that he would not have an emotional affair with Camilla during his marriage to Diana. That clearly started before the marriage and continued throughout.

No.
All reports of aides who were actually there say he was devastated by her death.
More likely to have said" Don't worry she will never be forgotten".
Charles S has switched never for soon.

Diana willingly gave up her Police protection. If anyone is to blame re her not being protected, how about Martin Bashir who lied to her, telling her the Police were spying on her and reporting back to the then Prince Charles. Or Mohammed al-Fayed, with his sub-standard staff, who was using her as part of his war against the British establishment as he couldn’t get a passport.

No. I don’t believe Charles said that, or was giddy with elation. Not for a second. You could see his grief in his face when he brought her home from France. He was bereft.

No, just no.

The KIng's response was measured and relatively restrained.
And I'm very glad he spoke out as there has been too much 'keeping our mouths shut' in the past from the Royals and then the criticism is they are weak.

And he did 100% suggest he didn't say it.

I find it incredible you are taken in by what CS said in his interview.

Of course he would say all of that!

He's hardly going to say he made it all up is he?

I remember the live TV coverage of this- maybe some MNs are too young.

I remember watching Charles come off the plane from France where he'd been to see her body.

He'd not slept for ages, he'd got in his car and driven straight to an airport to see her (against advice as he was tired) and he looked completely knackered- red eyes from crying or lack of sleep and devastated. He looked broken.

To say he was gleeful is a travesty.