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Royal row between King Charles and Earl Spencer 2

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Viviennemary · 18/09/2026 14:17

Buckingham Palace have said they won't be commenting further on the book. But I expect plenty of others will be and it's not even published yet so I started this second thread. I really liked Diana and thought she got treated shabbily by Charles. But really writing a book of gripes 30 years later is not on imho. I noticed on the news Harry declined to comment on it. Sensible decision for once.

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Daygloboo · 18/09/2026 20:54

Flufffluff11 · 18/09/2026 20:44

I actually think our memores are heightened at important moments.

I don't remember what my colleague said to me last year for example.

But i remember word for word some hurtful things that my uncle said to me after my dad died ten years ago

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Ditto. I have very clear memories from certain key points in my life. I believe CS. I dont thjnk he is lying. If he was wishing to smear the king I think he could have found subler ways to make him look bad. This is really out there and I think he'd only risk saying this if it was true because he must have known.he'd.be challenged on it on tv with everyone scrutinizing him. Im less likely to believe tantrumming, petulant , spoilt Charles.

Pipedreams607 · 18/09/2026 20:55

MrsLeonFarrell · 18/09/2026 18:13

Well that's a revealing bit of prose.

Poor little Harry, undermining William's equal grief, making Charles out to be uncaring compared to Philip, centreing himself in everything that was happening, yeah that's the writing of a man who is a reliable witness (sarcasm).

“Poor Harry?”

CS felt compassion towards his young nephew and that’s your criticism?

Harry was only twelve and anyone could see
he was devastated. Both of the boys were! And you have taken CS’s words deliberately out of context. He said he was “deeply concerned” about William too but he was being looked after. But it struck him how alone Harry was in the aftermath of that terrible day and that is why his attention was drawn by H and not W in that moment.

That’s an entirely reasonable and compassionate response.

And perhaps he described the then Prince Charles as more uncaring than Philip because he was?

bingobangs · 18/09/2026 20:55

BunnyBunbunbun · 18/09/2026 20:48

We don't need to be interested in the royal family beyond the things they do as part of their duties. The media obsession with the royals is ridiculous.

But look at how some lap it up, the H&M obsession on this site alone is insane. Look at a press article about a Royal carrying out a duty vs a story about Harry or this currents story, so much more interest in the gossip. I admit I am intrigued by this book/story wheras usually I am not interested. I won’t read it but will read excerpts etc, i’m sure millions will buy it.

JustAnotherWhinger · 18/09/2026 20:55

foxylady2 · 18/09/2026 20:52

I can remember exactly where I was, who I was with, and even what I ate for breakfast that Sunday morning. So if you are Earl Spencer speaking directly to Prince Charles about the death of your own sister, in the immediate aftermath of her death, and you are a historian who makes a habit of keeping notes, then surely you would remember that conversation in considerable detail.

I think it can be very different though when you’re in the middle of a situation.

i can remember that Sunday in detail. I even remember the colour of someone else coat at the train station as he was chuntering about everyone being in a daze.

I don’t remember that level of detail the day my sister died. I remember some but not others. It was an expected death.

i remember no detail from the day my daughter died other then the smell of the blanket she was wrapped in as it smelled wrong. That was a very unexpected death.

BunnyBunbunbun · 18/09/2026 20:56

OneLilacHedgehog · 18/09/2026 20:46

I remember exactly what my mother said when she told me about my father's sudden and traumatic death. I remember the car journey to view his body, the music playing in the radio and exactly what the hospital room looked like. I remember so many details from that day.

Commiserations for your loss. Charles Spencer, however, wasn't anywhere near Europe when Diana died suddenly and traumatically. He didn't go to view or identify her body - King Charles did. He didn't tell Diana's sons that their mother had died - King Charles did. Charles Spencer was in South Africa - and according to his ex-wife he wanted to be in South Africa to chase a married woman (most of the time, while he himself was married). Perhaps his jetlag when he eventually landed in the UK addled his brain.

King Charles did everything and Charles Spencer did nothing when Diana died. Perhaps Spencer has a sense of guilt for not being around and was instead chasing women in South Africa, according to his ex-wife, and that's why he has so much bile stored up for King Charles.

bingobangs · 18/09/2026 20:57

Flufffluff11 · 18/09/2026 20:52

Didn't king Charles also contribute to a book, and also go on a TV documentary and say that he had an affair?

Yes he certainly has.

And criticised his mother’s parenting so perhaps the apple doesn’t fall that far from the tree!

DraigCymraeg · 18/09/2026 20:57

OneLilacHedgehog · 18/09/2026 15:06

@MurphysColeslaw I think there is more to come. Latest is that Diana believed Charles was in love with his valet.

Which shows everybody how unstable Diana was.
We see it in Harry too.

bingobangs · 18/09/2026 20:59

@BunnyBunbunbun both things can be true though. ES being a crap person doesn’t mean KC didn’t say such a thing.

OneLilacHedgehog · 18/09/2026 20:59

DraigCymraeg · 18/09/2026 20:57

Which shows everybody how unstable Diana was.
We see it in Harry too.

So it's crazy ex wife accusations now? Yeah they always come out. The women are always crazy and the men are confused.

Flufffluff11 · 18/09/2026 20:59

DraigCymraeg · 18/09/2026 20:57

Which shows everybody how unstable Diana was.
We see it in Harry too.

Well when diana wrote that Prince Charles was planning a crash in her car... And then a car crash happened.... She wasn't that unstable about that

BunnyBunbunbun · 18/09/2026 21:02

Regarding Charles Spencer's "truth" that he insists he is telling, his claim that Charles was "elated" is just his interpretation from listening to King Charles' voice - and this was from a phone call, not even a face-to-face communication, where you can see someone's expression and get a better sense of what they're actually feeling. This whole explosive conversation that Charles Spencer is spouting on about happened over the phone.

He even admits that his interpretation of events is new and not contemporary to the time they happened, prefacing his comments with "Looking back now...".

Daygloboo · 18/09/2026 21:03

MrsLeonFarrell · 18/09/2026 18:51

Ranting is hardly going to help his case is it? I For what it's worth it seems obvious that Charles S believes what he is saying, but that doesn't mean he is accurately recalling the conversation. He says in the clip that he told his family and friends at the time what Charles said. If they come forward then I will believe he it's recalling accurately but I will still give everyone involved some grace because it was a really stressful time and not everyone reacts well under pressure.

What, saying you'll soon forget your childrens mother. Blimey.

BunnyBunbunbun · 18/09/2026 21:09

Flufffluff11 · 18/09/2026 20:25

Sorry I think you're a bit naive. Diana was very popular and died at a young age.

This probably wont bring down the monarchy altogether but it will be damaging to them.

See how the palace have already quickly released a statement on the book

Diana died 29 years ago. The whole situation with Diana has already done whatever damage it was going to do when she was alive and her marriage with Charles was breaking down and in the immediate aftermath of her death. The royal family bounced back from all that.

The palace released a statement because Charles Spencer is spouting incendiary allegations. Why shouldn't they counter them?

Diana's greatest legacy will be King William. Surely the Diana fans will love King William? Surely Charles Spencer will be proud that his nephew, his beloved sister Diana's son, is King? Whatever damage the attacks on King Charles may do will be erased when King William comes to the throne. Those who loved Diana will love her son King William too.

Flufffluff11 · 18/09/2026 21:11

BunnyBunbunbun · 18/09/2026 21:09

Diana died 29 years ago. The whole situation with Diana has already done whatever damage it was going to do when she was alive and her marriage with Charles was breaking down and in the immediate aftermath of her death. The royal family bounced back from all that.

The palace released a statement because Charles Spencer is spouting incendiary allegations. Why shouldn't they counter them?

Diana's greatest legacy will be King William. Surely the Diana fans will love King William? Surely Charles Spencer will be proud that his nephew, his beloved sister Diana's son, is King? Whatever damage the attacks on King Charles may do will be erased when King William comes to the throne. Those who loved Diana will love her son King William too.

"The palace released a statement because Charles Spencer is spouting incendiary allegations. Why shouldn't they counter them"

When Harry wrote a book, and in the book he was nasty about his father AND brother, the palace didn't release any statements.

I think they know this book is likely to do more damage, which is why they have released a statement

CoffeeCantata · 18/09/2026 21:14

BunnyBunbunbun · 18/09/2026 20:23

Andrew has been thrown out and the soap opera is not coming from the royal family.

The royal family can continue forever really. One day Charles will no longer be King and William will be King. Then it will be George. Somehow, I doubt anyone will try this drama with William.

Brilliantly put.

wordler · 18/09/2026 21:14

MurphysColeslaw · 18/09/2026 20:14

Really, do we think he has that much loyalty to a brother of one of his ex wives?

No the husband of his sister, Robert Fellows who was on the Queen’s staff at the time. Who would have been in all the important meetings and behind the scenes stuff - who could contradict any thing Charles S made up or massaged away from the facts.

MurphysColeslaw · 18/09/2026 21:16

Ah yes!

Daygloboo · 18/09/2026 21:21

fluffiphlox · 18/09/2026 18:03

I’m not sure that Charles Spencer is a particularly nice person.

Why?

MurphysColeslaw · 18/09/2026 21:25

Daygloboo · 18/09/2026 21:21

Why?

I think if a person is prepared to admit that they have a volatile temper, you can bet your ass that’s an understatement.

AcquadiP · 18/09/2026 21:26

"We will forget Diana soon enough."

I watched Emily Maitlis' interview with CS this evening. I don't know whether KC made the above statement or not but I'm inclined to believe he didn't. My reasoning is based on CS's description of his reaction to what would have been an incredibly nasty and cruel thing to say about Diana, in the immediate aftermath of her untimely death, when CS and his family no doubt were in deep shock and emotions would be running high.

According to CS his response was:
"I can't believe you just said that" and he hung up.

Really - is that all? So CS wasn't incandescent with rage? He didn't swear? He didn't give KC a mouthful for disrespecting his late sister in such an unkind way? No, I'm not buying it.

Flufffluff11 · 18/09/2026 21:27

AcquadiP · 18/09/2026 21:26

"We will forget Diana soon enough."

I watched Emily Maitlis' interview with CS this evening. I don't know whether KC made the above statement or not but I'm inclined to believe he didn't. My reasoning is based on CS's description of his reaction to what would have been an incredibly nasty and cruel thing to say about Diana, in the immediate aftermath of her untimely death, when CS and his family no doubt were in deep shock and emotions would be running high.

According to CS his response was:
"I can't believe you just said that" and he hung up.

Really - is that all? So CS wasn't incandescent with rage? He didn't swear? He didn't give KC a mouthful for disrespecting his late sister in such an unkind way? No, I'm not buying it.

Well Earl Spencer did give the Royal Family a mouthful at Diana's funeral. He seemed to be very angry with the Royal Family at the time. Obviously arguments were going on

OneLilacHedgehog · 18/09/2026 21:29

Flufffluff11 · 18/09/2026 21:27

Well Earl Spencer did give the Royal Family a mouthful at Diana's funeral. He seemed to be very angry with the Royal Family at the time. Obviously arguments were going on

No he did not. See below.

I stand before you today the representative of a family in grief, in a country in mourning before a world in shock.
"We are all united not only in our desire to pay our respects to Diana but rather in our need to do so. For such was her extraordinary appeal that the tens of millions of people taking part in this service all over the world via television and radio who never actually met her, feel that they too lost someone close to them in the early hours of Sunday morning. It is a more remarkable tribute to Diana than I can ever hope to offer her today.
"No Need for Royal Title"
"Diana was the very essence of compassion, of duty, of style, of beauty. All over the world she was a symbol of selfless humanity. All over the world, a standard bearer for the rights of the truly downtrodden, a very British girl who transcended nationality. Someone with a natural nobility who was classless and who proved in the last year that she needed no royal title to continue to generate her particular brand of magic.
"Today is our chance to say thank you for the way you brightened our lives, even though God granted you but half a life. We will all feel cheated always that you were taken from us so young and yet we must learn to be grateful that you came along at all. Only now that you are gone do we truly appreciate what we are now without and we want you to know that life without you is very, very difficult.
"We have all despaired at our loss over the past week and only the strength of the message you gave us through your years of giving has afforded us the strength to move forward.
"Great Gift of Intuition"
"There is a temptation to rush to canonise your memory, there is no need to do so. You stand tall enough as a human being of unique qualities not to need to be seen as a saint. Indeed to sanctify your memory would be to miss out on the very core of your being, your wonderfully mischievous sense of humour with a laugh that bent you double.
"Your joy for life transmitted where ever you took your smile and the sparkle in those unforgettable eyes. Your boundless energy which you could barely contain.
"But your greatest gift was your intuition and it was a gift you used wisely. This is what underpinned all your other wonderful attributes and if we look to analyse what it was about you that had such a wide appeal we find it in your instinctive feel for what was really important in all our lives.
"Without your God-given sensitivity we would be immersed in greater ignorance at the anguish of Aids and HIV sufferers, the plight of the homeless, the isolation of lepers, the random destruction of landmines.

"Innermost Feelings of Suffering"
"Diana explained to me once that it was her innermost feelings of suffering that made it possible for her to connect with her constituency of the rejected.
"And here we come to another truth about her. For all the status, the glamour, the applause, Diana remained throughout a very insecure person at heart, almost childlike in her desire to do good for others so she could release herself from deep feelings of unworthiness of which her eating disorders were merely a symptom.
"The world sensed this part of her character and cherished her for her vulnerability whilst admiring her for her honesty.
"The last time I saw Diana was on July 1, her birthday in London, when typically she was not taking time to celebrate her special day with friends but was guest of honour at a special charity fundraising evening. She sparkled of course, but I would rather cherish the days I spent with her in March when she came to visit me and my children in our home in South Africa. I am proud of the fact apart from when she was on display meeting President Mandela we managed to contrive to stop the ever-present paparazzi from getting a single picture of her - that meant a lot to her.
"These were days I will always treasure. It was as if we had been transported back to our childhood when we spent such an enormous amount of time together - the two youngest in the family.
"Fundamentally she had not changed at all from the big sister who mothered me as a baby, fought with me at school and endured those long train journeys between our parents' homes with me at weekends.
"It is a tribute to her level-headedness and strength that despite the most bizarre-like life imaginable after her childhood, she remained intact, true to herself.
"Diana's Goodness Threatened the Media"
"There is no doubt that she was looking for a new direction in her life at this time. She talked endlessly of getting away from England, mainly because of the treatment that she received at the hands of the newspapers. I don't think she ever understood why her genuinely good intentions were sneered at by the media, why there appeared to be a permanent quest on their behalf to bring her down. It is baffling.
"My own and only explanation is that genuine goodness is threatening to those at the opposite end of the moral spectrum. It is a point to remember that of all the ironies about Diana, perhaps the greatest was this - a girl given the name of the ancient goddess of hunting was, in the end, the most hunted person of the modern age.
"She would want us today to pledge ourselves to protecting her beloved boys William and Harry from a similar fate and I do this here Diana on your behalf. We will not allow them to suffer the anguish that used regularly to drive you to tearful despair.
"Blood Family Will Protect Sons"
"And beyond that, on behalf of your mother and sisters, I pledge that we, your blood family, will do all we can to continue the imaginative way in which you were steering these two exceptional young men so that their souls are not simply immersed by duty and tradition but can sing openly as you planned.
"We fully respect the heritage into which they have both been born and will always respect and encourage them in their royal role but we, like you, recognise the need for them to experience as many different aspects of life as possible to arm them spiritually and emotionally for the years ahead. I know you would have expected nothing less from us.
"William and Harry, we all cared desperately for you today. We are all chewed up with the sadness at the loss of a woman who was not even our mother. How great your suffering is, we cannot even imagine.
"I would like to end by thanking God for the small mercies he has shown us at this dreadful time. For taking Diana at her most beautiful and radiant and when she had joy in her private life. Above all we give thanks for the life of a woman I am so proud to be able to call my sister, the unique, the complex, the extraordinary and irreplaceable Diana whose beauty, both internal and external, will never be extinguished from our minds."

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MrsLeonFarrell · 18/09/2026 21:30

Daygloboo · 18/09/2026 21:03

What, saying you'll soon forget your childrens mother. Blimey.

It depends on whether he actually said those words or something that was interpreted as those words. I'm guessing that he didn't say that and that Charles S either misheard or misremembered, hence why he needs some grace extended.

If Charles S really told his family and friends what was said at the time why isn't anyone coming forward to back him up? 30 years if a really long time to accurately recall conversations undertaken at a time of heightened emotion. I doubt anyone can remember exactly what was said.

myrtleWilson · 18/09/2026 21:31

@JustAnotherWhinger am so sorry for your loss - that moment sounds devastating and other worldly. May her memory be a blessing 💐

MrsLeonFarrell · 18/09/2026 21:32

Pipedreams607 · 18/09/2026 20:55

“Poor Harry?”

CS felt compassion towards his young nephew and that’s your criticism?

Harry was only twelve and anyone could see
he was devastated. Both of the boys were! And you have taken CS’s words deliberately out of context. He said he was “deeply concerned” about William too but he was being looked after. But it struck him how alone Harry was in the aftermath of that terrible day and that is why his attention was drawn by H and not W in that moment.

That’s an entirely reasonable and compassionate response.

And perhaps he described the then Prince Charles as more uncaring than Philip because he was?

Do you really believe people were looking after William and not Harry? He says earlier that William was coping better too. I doubt either was coping but for some reason all his sympathy is focused on Harry. Why? It's strange that Charles S is focusing on one nephew and not the other.

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