Please or to access all these features

The royal family

Ham pr disasters 38! Ailing king? Or heartless son?

1000 replies

jeffgoldblum · 12/09/2026 23:19

Continuing the criticism…still interested, still not bored….

OP posts:
Thread gallery
26
PleasantGreenPorcupine · 13/09/2026 13:01

spreadandsprinkles · 13/09/2026 12:53

As things stand today, do the hamlets offspring have titles automatically or are they granted by the monarch? I will probably have carked it by then but will spin in my grave if they do😇

Also Portugal allows private armed protection on a case by case basis (I googled)

No, Lilibet's won't (sorry, but I hate that name).
Archie's will as the children of an Earl, then a Duke. Like the children of the Dukes of Gloucester and Kent.
They won't be prince and princesses though.

jeffgoldblum · 13/09/2026 13:02

Starryfifty · 13/09/2026 12:24

Ffs

🙄 , he really does not understand that the monarchy is in fact a hierarchy, not a popularity contest ( not that he’s winning that either) , it doesn’t matter how many times he briefs these publications with what he wants it’s not going to happen! Charles has said no !

OP posts:
PleasantGreenPorcupine · 13/09/2026 13:02

Mylovelygreendress · 13/09/2026 12:46

That’s me home from the late addition to my Official September Diary. Accompanied my friend on a walk with her dog . Security concerns mean I can give no further information.

Thank you for your service 🙏🏼

TheTwerkingDuchessOfMonteshitshow · 13/09/2026 13:03

Etten1 · 13/09/2026 09:32

I’ve been in hospital for a week and the HAM threads have kept me sane. So enlightening to read all the various theories/facts to try to make sense of the craziness that is HAM. Thank you.

I sincerely hope you’re feeling much better.

jeffgoldblum · 13/09/2026 13:03

ImpotentPublicFigure · 13/09/2026 12:31

Just arriving in thread

Welcome 👋

OP posts:
Starryfifty · 13/09/2026 13:05

If titles are removed, Meg is gone. However, RF will take H in, as a family member. He can't survive on his own. It may be the best thing for him in the long run

jeffgoldblum · 13/09/2026 13:06

Mylovelygreendress · 13/09/2026 12:46

That’s me home from the late addition to my Official September Diary. Accompanied my friend on a walk with her dog . Security concerns mean I can give no further information.

Very wise precaution mylovely!

OP posts:
Passingthroughagain · 13/09/2026 13:08

TangledUpDown · 13/09/2026 12:32

I do think it was quite cutting that Charles's statement didn't have the usual "of course Harry and Meghan remain much loved members of our family" 😬😬 maybe that line was a QE2 thing.

The whole Harry issue is an interesting one also because in a way he's right. He is a prince. If there's choice and we can get rid of the princes we don't like (see also Andrew) then why can't we go the whole hog and get rid of all of them 🤔

It wasn't a personal statement from the King though. It was a statement signed by the Lord Chamberlain reiterating the terms of Megxit. Would be a bit odd for him to get all mushy about them being loved!

murasaki · 13/09/2026 13:09

ImpotentPublicFigure · 13/09/2026 12:56

I’m not a dress person so was quite surprised at how interesting I found it looking close. But I think that is something the WRF have to do with; find something that is interesting in all the functions they attend. Some will be easier than others but unless you engage with what is in front of you you will never see how interesting things can be. HAM just didn’t engage - they never saw beyond the surface.

Yes, Princess Anne seems particularly good at it, and W and C aren't bad either. HAM just don't seem to bother, or to realise it's not about them, and that you let others speak and then respond and ask questions.

QE was excellent too (and yes, I know they're briefed ,but you have to take it in, which HAM don't seem to). A fervent republican colleague of mine went to an awards ceremony, and came back quite the monarchist as she'd asked good questions about his academic research amd followed up his responses with others. How the rest of us chortled afterwards.

ImpotentPublicFigure · 13/09/2026 13:10

Starryfifty · 13/09/2026 13:05

If titles are removed, Meg is gone. However, RF will take H in, as a family member. He can't survive on his own. It may be the best thing for him in the long run

He has sufficient money and is in his 40s, of course he can.

jeffgoldblum · 13/09/2026 13:11

Puzzledandpissedoff · 13/09/2026 12:49

I doubt there'll be anything controversial in it, StartupRepair - I think (?) it was said the RF had provided her with her new home after the Queen died and surely there'll be an NDA attached?

Thanks once again for the new thread, @jeffgoldblum. I'm still trying to catch up, but a question ... does anyone actually know if Meghan's in the UK?
It's said she was seen at Soho House, but that sounds to me like gossip and I wondered if there's anything firm

👋 puzzled , honestly nothing further, it’s been reported that she was spotted twice at soho house and according to rumours and Neil Sean , she is here and the media knows where they are but are not reporting on their whereabouts, if true it seems like an almost comical punishment for someone so obsessed with publicity!
oh I should mention he went on to say …Meghan isn’t happy, she thought they would be hounding them and taking pap photos and she doesn’t understand why it’s not happening!
im hoping this is true! 😁

OP posts:
bluegreygreen · 13/09/2026 13:11

Passingthroughagain · 13/09/2026 13:08

It wasn't a personal statement from the King though. It was a statement signed by the Lord Chamberlain reiterating the terms of Megxit. Would be a bit odd for him to get all mushy about them being loved!

Exactly - a letter from the Head of State to the government, military and Lords Lieutenant is not a place for comments about family.

The fact that the Sussexes cannot understand that is another indication of their inability to act as working royals.

PleasantGreenPorcupine · 13/09/2026 13:11

jeffgoldblum · 13/09/2026 13:11

👋 puzzled , honestly nothing further, it’s been reported that she was spotted twice at soho house and according to rumours and Neil Sean , she is here and the media knows where they are but are not reporting on their whereabouts, if true it seems like an almost comical punishment for someone so obsessed with publicity!
oh I should mention he went on to say …Meghan isn’t happy, she thought they would be hounding them and taking pap photos and she doesn’t understand why it’s not happening!
im hoping this is true! 😁

Karma

Lunde · 13/09/2026 13:13

Rentfreeinyourhead · 13/09/2026 09:58

If they’re in Northamptonshire then why was H spotted in Tetbury by a PP DM/F?

There are only two decent prep schools left in Northamptonshire now that Maidwell Hall has closed, not partly not due to CS’s book. Maidwell was a lovely little school in recent years but bad management, financial pressures and that bloody book sealed its fate. Shall I take one for the team and hang outside the school gates one morning to see if I can find the cavalcade, the armed bodyguards and very pissed off teachers?

One of their very wealthy friends owns a property that is just on the SW Northamptonshire side of the border.

If Harry was in Tetbury he could be trying to re-establish his connections in that circle or perhaps rejoin the Beaufort Hunt and Polo club.

bluegreygreen · 13/09/2026 13:14

Interestingly, one sentence further down the article in the Independent may have been missed in the discussion about the withdrawal from Sandringham and the Nolan principles:

“He’s still the King’s son. There’s no getting away from that,” the source said. “They are working royals, but they don’t work for the institution any longer.”

They really don't know when to stop.

Horses7 · 13/09/2026 13:14

Thedom · 13/09/2026 11:31

I just watched the T0m Sykes / Andrew Lownie YouTube episode and it really is one of the better ones. Well worth a watch.

Edited

Excellent! Thank you

AlexandraCarrington · 13/09/2026 13:15

Where Harry and Meghan are concerned, whenever I read "an insider" I imagine it is one of the two of them.

'Sources close to...'

I think the problem is that the removal of titles would need to be total. Letters patent supported by parliament can make him plain Harry Windsor. He would no longer be a Prince or a Duke. That way, his wife cant call herself either a Duchess or Princess and then their children are just plain Archie and Lily.
I agree with you. Its a straightforward thing so Charles just needs to get on with it.

If it requires action by parliament, then it's not that straightforward. The King can't just tell parliament what to do. Some might argue that parliament isn't there to sort out the King's family squabbles.

When does it cease to be a family affair, which is not a matter for parliament, and become a constitutional issue, on which the King must act on the advice of his Prime Minister, and what advice is the Prime Minister giving him (which we won't know, of course)?

PleasantGreenPorcupine · 13/09/2026 13:15

murasaki · 13/09/2026 13:09

Yes, Princess Anne seems particularly good at it, and W and C aren't bad either. HAM just don't seem to bother, or to realise it's not about them, and that you let others speak and then respond and ask questions.

QE was excellent too (and yes, I know they're briefed ,but you have to take it in, which HAM don't seem to). A fervent republican colleague of mine went to an awards ceremony, and came back quite the monarchist as she'd asked good questions about his academic research amd followed up his responses with others. How the rest of us chortled afterwards.

I remember an account from a representative of one of the indigenous people of Australia. He'd been invited to the Palace as part of the Jubilee celebrations. He said that in his whole life he'd never been treated with such kindness, courtesy and respect as he was by the late Queen.
He'd had a hard life, but I thought that was very touching.

DurinsBane · 13/09/2026 13:16

AcrossthePond55 · 13/09/2026 00:03

Thanks for another new glorious thread, @jeffgoldblum

I think this is the first time I've made the 'front page' (assuming a bunch of posts aren't made before this hits the page!

I was pondering their "We are no longer bound by the Sandringham Agreement" bullshit. When did they ever keep to it? Seems to me they broke every tenet of that agreement as soon as their plane touched down in the US. Except maybe the public use of HRH, although it's pretty clear that it's been used 'in private'.

'As Ever', their word is definitely not their bond!

Where did they say they are no longer bound by the Sandringham agreement? I googled for them saying it but couldn’t find that

murasaki · 13/09/2026 13:16

He's already a member of the Berkeley Hunt...

feellikeanalien · 13/09/2026 13:17

I'm normally a lurker here but find these threads give some light relief.

Just been watching the Great North Run. Andy Burnham was running and being interviewed at the end. He obviously had security but I couldn't see them and he was being interviewed like any other finisher.

It really contrasted with all the whingeing from H&M and their desperation to be important.

jeffgoldblum · 13/09/2026 13:17

bluegreygreen · 13/09/2026 13:14

Interestingly, one sentence further down the article in the Independent may have been missed in the discussion about the withdrawal from Sandringham and the Nolan principles:

“He’s still the King’s son. There’s no getting away from that,” the source said. “They are working royals, but they don’t work for the institution any longer.”

They really don't know when to stop.

Honestly blue if ever we needed proof that ham are the “sources “ it’s this ! , how many people are this clueless about something that has been explained clearly by the king!

OP posts:
ImpotentPublicFigure · 13/09/2026 13:18

bluegreygreen · 13/09/2026 13:14

Interestingly, one sentence further down the article in the Independent may have been missed in the discussion about the withdrawal from Sandringham and the Nolan principles:

“He’s still the King’s son. There’s no getting away from that,” the source said. “They are working royals, but they don’t work for the institution any longer.”

They really don't know when to stop.

Rather debatable that they are working or that they work.

jeffgoldblum · 13/09/2026 13:19

feellikeanalien · 13/09/2026 13:17

I'm normally a lurker here but find these threads give some light relief.

Just been watching the Great North Run. Andy Burnham was running and being interviewed at the end. He obviously had security but I couldn't see them and he was being interviewed like any other finisher.

It really contrasted with all the whingeing from H&M and their desperation to be important.

Welcome and please stay and delurk 👋

OP posts:
CoffeeCantata · 13/09/2026 13:22

murasaki · 13/09/2026 13:09

Yes, Princess Anne seems particularly good at it, and W and C aren't bad either. HAM just don't seem to bother, or to realise it's not about them, and that you let others speak and then respond and ask questions.

QE was excellent too (and yes, I know they're briefed ,but you have to take it in, which HAM don't seem to). A fervent republican colleague of mine went to an awards ceremony, and came back quite the monarchist as she'd asked good questions about his academic research amd followed up his responses with others. How the rest of us chortled afterwards.

Princes Anne opened a building for the environmental charity I was working for. She came in tweed skirt, jumper, practical, unfashionable suede boots and a warm coat. She was excellent and showed an absolutely genuine and deep interest in the organisation. She chatted to everyone (I have never talked so much rubbish in my life - totally and unexpectedly star-struck) and stayed ages.

The absolute antithesis of Meghan and her “Let’s make this quick” and “Where’s the camera?”

Please create an account

To comment on this thread you need to create a Mumsnet account.

This thread is not accepting new messages.