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Ham pr disasters 38! Ailing king? Or heartless son?

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jeffgoldblum · 12/09/2026 23:19

Continuing the criticism…still interested, still not bored….

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bluegreygreen · Yesterday 20:00

IcedPurple · Yesterday 18:00

But Charles was mentioned personally. So having his representative, rather than 'some diplomat' contact the Ugandans was the appropriate channel of communication.

'Some diplomat' did - a very experienced one.

Sir Clive Alderton, career diplomat.

Joined the Foreign Office in 1986 and served in diplomatic posts in Poland, Belgium, Singapore and France.
2006 Deputy Private Secretary to PoW/DoC
2009 Private Secretary from Foreign & Commonwealth Affairs to PoW/DoC
2012 Ambassador to Morocco and Mauritania
2015 Principal Private Secretary to PoW/DoC
Sept 2022 Member of Privy Council
May 2023 Private Secretary to the Sovereign (previously joint).

In other words, someone very able to advise on an appropriate way to respond to a leader of a Commonwealth country expressing concern about His Majesty's wishes.

MargaretThursday · Yesterday 20:00

Puzzledandpissedoff · Yesterday 19:46

I hope to god that Hello piece is as much rubbish as so many others; it doesn't bear thinking about that the kids have been uprooted from their country, their friends and their new school in about 2 weeks

If the route's congested surely that could have been discovered before they went ... unless this is just another attempt to "prove" they're not safe, and playing with the kids' lives because of Harry's mania doesn't bear thinking about either

I wasn't convinced they actually had a definite school. I suspect this is to hide that they hadn't actually been enrolled anywhere by giving an excuse as to why they start part way through term - and to try and get a bit of sympathy.

IAmATorturedPoet · Yesterday 20:01

Seriously, a convoy?!?
No one needs a security convoy to do the school run. Does Zara have a security convoy to get her children to school?

the team couldn’t make the school run operationally secure," a friend of the couple tells HELLO! 🙄

One incident made it difficult for their vehicles to stay in convoy, which raised further concerns. 🙄

Could that be having to stop at a zebra crossing to let some school children safely get across the road.

My2cents1975 · Yesterday 20:02

IMHO, it is possible that HaM may have been asked to leave by the school if all they are bringing is chaos and confusion.

Other high net worth parents may have been upset by the breadcrumbs HaM are dishing to the press as their own children's security may have been compromised by HaM's dogged pursuit of column inches.

AlexandraCarrington · Yesterday 20:03

Term's fees forfeited then? Plus fees for their California school if it's true they didn't give notice?

What sort of muppets have they got doing their security if they didn't anticipate traffic? Not ex-police, presumably.

PrivateCitizenUgandanAffairs · Yesterday 20:03

Mylovelygreendress · Yesterday 19:36

Convoy ? How many SUVs are needed to transport 2 small children to school ?

Mad. And if they were crawling through traffic in Oxford it’s highly likely one car would make it through a traffic light and following car/s get stuck.

Are they really thinking if they get this security they will scream in with a convoy of flashing lights and hold ups for other traffic? Twice a day throughout term? Way to make themselves popular with locals and other parents. 🤦‍♀️

jeffgoldblum · Yesterday 20:04

Ok while I have time not that anyone asked or probably wants to know …… after reading the articles from both the dm and the t , reading comments here and thinking about it ….i lean towards it being a diplomatic necessity with a small but … I agree the optics look bad and might give rise to the image of pandering….however ultimately I think once again this is purely hams fault ! Had Harry kept silent and not challenged the king’s statement in such a disgusting manner the likelihood of Uganda releasing that tweet is nil and in my view the reason for the delay before Charles got involved is for the same reason, had Harry just kept silent it would have been ignored I believe but no again Harry flaps his gob and disrespectfully blames Charles again…I think the response from Charles was then needed before there might well have been another response from Uganda….nobody wants a public spat between Harry and Uganda on the world stage and damaging relations between our two countries…….. in short ….its all hams fault as per usual!

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smilesy · Yesterday 20:09

MargaretThursday · Yesterday 20:00

I wasn't convinced they actually had a definite school. I suspect this is to hide that they hadn't actually been enrolled anywhere by giving an excuse as to why they start part way through term - and to try and get a bit of sympathy.

If it was the school in north Oxford, then term there didn’t start until last Thursday or Friday 🤷‍♀️

Rhaidimiddim · Yesterday 20:12

IdaGlossop · Yesterday 19:13

The combination of extreme privilege and a less than stellar IQ is a pernicious combination. As he seems set on this destructive path, I wonder whether conversations are being had between courtiers and government about The Harry Problem now he is slinging mud about the UK from within the UK.

I bloody hope so!

TheTwerkingDuchessOfMonteshitshow · Yesterday 20:13

thenightsky · Yesterday 18:17

My suspicion is that they are not spectacularly good looking and that's why she 's keeping their faces hidden

My suspicion is that they look far more like grandad Markle and bear almost no resemblance to granny Diana.

All children are lovely looking.

Puzzledandpissedoff · Yesterday 20:13

My2cents1975 · Yesterday 19:55

@bluegreygreen it was rumours as I mentioned. It was not in print in the UK media but was online.

And now H is leaving/has left African Parks. Not sure when in September he steps down. But the in-print accusations of the Chad government to included misuse of funds & resources.

Prince Harry chad charity: Chadian government cuts ties with African Parks which has links to Duke of Sussex

“Over four pages, the ministry alleged grave breaches of contract and financial irregularities, accusing the charity of keeping unaudited accounts and not being transparent over how funds were raised, managed and spent.”

What was notable was how quickly the story was smoothed over and Chad returned to the fold after such bold accusations.

Given Chad's corruption profile (22 out of 100 on the Transparency International index, rated 157th out of 180 nations), it's come to something when even they consider Harry's organisations irregular Confused

PlotTwistPending · Yesterday 20:15

AlexandraCarrington · Yesterday 17:28

It just makes Charles look weak.
It does. Fixing the Uganda thing is just cringeworthy. Stop caving to H's tantrums and just ignore him.

He didn't do it for Harry. He did it because the Ugandans used his name in connection with something which is nothing to do with him and he wanted it made clear that it's nothing to do with him. Not everything is about Harry.

This 'Charles is weak' is beginning to look like a narrative that's being pushed from somewhere. It's reminiscent of the Sussex tactic - hope that if you repeat something often enough people might begin to believe it, even if it's blatantly untrue.

Just because you believe it’s untrue doesn’t mean it isn’t. I believe KC is a very weak man and enables Harry. Both opinions are valid.

Puzzledandpissedoff · Yesterday 20:19

My2cents1975 · Yesterday 20:02

IMHO, it is possible that HaM may have been asked to leave by the school if all they are bringing is chaos and confusion.

Other high net worth parents may have been upset by the breadcrumbs HaM are dishing to the press as their own children's security may have been compromised by HaM's dogged pursuit of column inches.

You could easily be right, My2cents1975
I was really thinking of what any school might consider necessary in future, but who's to say if it's not already happened?

FancyKitten · Yesterday 20:20

My2cents1975 · Yesterday 20:02

IMHO, it is possible that HaM may have been asked to leave by the school if all they are bringing is chaos and confusion.

Other high net worth parents may have been upset by the breadcrumbs HaM are dishing to the press as their own children's security may have been compromised by HaM's dogged pursuit of column inches.

The Stella McCartney / Beckham children’s princess party (hosted by the Yorks no less) comes to mind… It was Harper’s birthday.

PleasantGreenPorcupine · Yesterday 20:21

Puzzledandpissedoff · Yesterday 20:13

Given Chad's corruption profile (22 out of 100 on the Transparency International index, rated 157th out of 180 nations), it's come to something when even they consider Harry's organisations irregular Confused

Quite!

PleasantGreenPorcupine · Yesterday 20:23

TheTwerkingDuchessOfMonteshitshow · Yesterday 20:13

All children are lovely looking.

They are indeed. There was a portrait released of Lilibet on her 1st birthday, she looked very sweet!
We've seen full pictures of Archie, too. He was cute as well.

Gonners · Yesterday 20:23

TheTwerkingDuchessOfMonteshitshow · Yesterday 20:13

All children are lovely looking.

Ha! I wasn't and have photos to prove it. My sister (almost 8 years younger) was gorgeous, though. Curiously, over the years things evened out.

TheTwerkingDuchessOfMonteshitshow · Yesterday 20:23

MargaretThursday · Yesterday 18:26

Agreed.
I suspect he's better at being the fun uncle that pops in, plays a few games then goes when there's bedtime/homework/something that isn't just playing.

I've often looked at the photos with them and the children and there isn't that casual loving feeling between them. I suspect people are going to talk about being posed, or making sure that their faces aren't shown, but if they naturally love being with him, it's not difficult.
I mean, my ds, he's 19yo, and has a hobby which involves all ages. He can't really understand it, but a lot of the young children think he's amazing. He doesn't really do much with them, but if he sits down, he often gets two or three come to sit next to him. They'll lean on him and put their arm round him, or stand next to him with arms round his neck. If he's not sitting down, they'll go to him to open their crisps or show him their reading book etc. I've seen loads of photos from behind of him and various little ones which look far more loving than any I've seen.

I see this as well with my 4 youngest grandson and my 19 year old eldest grandson. Also my youngest granddaughter and my 2 oldest granddaughters aged 21 and 16. It’s beautiful to see. Your son must have a very special way about him.

TheTwerkingDuchessOfMonteshitshow · Yesterday 20:29

BasiliskStare · Yesterday 19:43

If they are having to change schools this early then either they didn't do due diligence or proper preparation ( shame on them ) or this is a stunt. No idea. But for the love of Betsy , wouldn't you try to make your children's starting at a new school in a new country as easy as possible. That's a proper sigh from me.

ETA cross posted with those who also - check the traffic when the schools are back FFS. If these are the people who H asked to write a report for Ravec , I hope it will filed carefully in the bin.

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Only these two absolute fools could get choosing a childs school so wrong.

Im embarrassed for them.

TheTwerkingDuchessOfMonteshitshow · Yesterday 20:31

PleasantGreenPorcupine · Yesterday 20:23

They are indeed. There was a portrait released of Lilibet on her 1st birthday, she looked very sweet!
We've seen full pictures of Archie, too. He was cute as well.

I can recall seeing the pictures of Archie at the 4th of July parade before they were pulled from the internet and he looked very sweet and gentle. Lily also looked like a happy wee thing in her blue dress on her birthday photo.

jumpintheline · Yesterday 20:31

Poor kids having to move schools again so abruptly.

IceBrownie · Yesterday 20:33

I've been (mostly) a lurker since the first thread, but really wanted to add a couple of points that have been on my mind.

I routinely hear people say "MM would never leave him because the title means everything to her".

I will die on this hill.... Regardless of what the future brings for HAM's relationship, that woman will continue to use the title until the day she dies.

The British monarchy could literally collapse and she'd spout some ridiculous word salad to justify the continued use of the moniker. She will always be a Duchess (in her head) in face of facts or ridicule.

The second point is this video I came across of PH in some event (I believe it took place two days ago)

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGdQUAP2B/

The sheer RESENTMENT in this man-child's face... He's absolutely furious about being largely ignored, corralled with the populace and not being treated with the deference he feels is owed to him. His body language is screaming it.

PS English is not my first language, please excuse any grammar slip ups

PleasantGreenPorcupine · Yesterday 20:33

jumpintheline · Yesterday 20:31

Poor kids having to move schools again so abruptly.

Very true. The journey wasn't "operationally secure"?
So a security team couldn't get two children to school in rural England safely because of the level of traffic?
Also, I hope they didn't tell the children that and scare them.

HoldMyWine · Yesterday 20:35

Can they get anything right? Everything is done on impulse or a whim. Those poor children. They have a lifetime of drama ahead of them.

TheTwerkingDuchessOfMonteshitshow · Yesterday 20:36

Mylovelygreendress · Yesterday 19:36

Convoy ? How many SUVs are needed to transport 2 small children to school ?

They have a preference for at least 3.

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