Ham pr disasters 36! The clap backs continue!

[jeffgoldblum]

A continuation of our continuing discussion of our favourite private citizens! 😁

Good summaries, @wordler.

It's also worth pointing out, @bookingamazonas, that The Crown is not historically accurate (Netflix calls it 'fictional dramatisation', and their own historical adviser says they invent things depending on what message they want to convey), so if you've seen something there it's worth checking it out elsewhere.

Are people really using the crown as legitimate evidence now??
what next ? Downton abbey.

From @bookingamazonas's post

My knowledge of British history is patchy, I went to school in another country and haven't watched the crown for a long time.

I was trying to be helpful.

Ok ….still fairly alarming though .

Just to say I am Basilisk - still at my mother’s with her rubbish internet so I can’t make my username work and it’s taken a while to read the new thread ( Can’t even try to read the old one but just to say thank you @jeffgoldblum for this.

Two quick points and the tomorrow night / Friday I will be back in the game

As so many others have said H clapping back at being a public figure is beyond nonsense ( unless he thinks it will affect Ravec ) Is a Public figure even a thing , technically in the UK? @DandyAF may know

I wonder if the BP message about HAM being private individuals , with their own business and charities (thank you @bluegreygreen for reposting it , is not a veiled hint that KC will not be at the IG next year. Not a Royal Charity.

I do agree with others , less than a year way how feasible are the IG , financially and somewhat politically. Govt have underwritten £26m. I cannot find anywhere that says other funding is more than £4m. (I may be wrong here ) . I do think he costs of the IG have got to a point where, whilst I think people may be a little nervous of criticizing it because wounded ex service people are obviously a good cause , I think the environs of £60m for 500 people (I think i m roughly right there someone tell me if I am completely out of kilter , but I think they were akin to Rachel the pilot’s numbers , ) the organisation has grown , and indeed one might say , has become bloated , to the point where this is no longer a handover to H from the Royal Foundation, which it was he didn't’ found it as such , but it really should , as a charity have some proper independent scrutiny. I read a report which was unfair because the IG is over multiple days and overseas participants , but said - 500 people is essentially a big high school sports day. That’s not fair either , but I suspect somewhere in the middle , or indeed another use of funds may be the answer.

Mum’s computer, slow, keeps coming up with stuff so signing out and will be back when at home

BasiliskStare

I was wondering about that. The easiest way to solve the Invictus problem is for Birmingham Health and Safety to shut it down. Too many people with trash will attract rats. Any participants bitten by a rat could spread disease to their home country.

Anyone else struggling to fathom WTF are the pair of them thinking?

What conversations are they having?

I feel PR trainees in years to come will be taught “The Sussex Syndrome” in courses in how to spot potential clients that will not just ruin their reputation but take you down with them and as a lesson in how easily poor judgement, arrogance and entitlement can turn a position of goodwill and opportunity to one of derision and distrust.

The “surprise” clapback…..

Where to even start with that?

I worked with an excellent marketing team on a corporate project some years ago (so not PR but has professional parallels). It was eye opening in terms of how public statements were crafted and reviewed. They were especially critiqued internally before issue in respect of potential “hostile” responses that could be leveraged in the context of prior communications - essentially “will this statement lead to our own prior actions being used to undermine our brand credibility”.

Even an intern in that department would have turned a shade of puce at the suggestion that you communicate your disapproval at being “surprised”
in a scenario where your brand M.O. has been to “surprise” the hell out of your “competition”.

There was a part of me that hoped this homecoming might (just might) signify a positive new start for them.

It would be tough to re-build the bridges they had burned, but I thought (with time and just some basic common sense) it could be possible.

But they just can’t seem to help themselves.

It’s a masterclass in how to fuck up every single time - where the only possible credit you can give them is for predictability/consistency.

Keep going as they are and KCIII with have no choice but to remove their titles, irrespective of his feelings as a father/grandfather.

Oh, this thread is not about advertising pork products then.... disappointed now

Anyone else struggling to fathom WTF are the pair of them thinking?

They don't appear to do a lot of thinking 😂
That's why they have the recurring problem of being surprised by the unsurprising and blindingly obvious.

I think the Invictus game would flourish with another patron. Princess Anne for example was a competitve rider in younger days. The publicity seems to be all about Harry and Meghan (and those peculiar shorts she wore) rather than focussing on the competitors. It's not as if they can bring in large sponsorship deals either.

If they had come back and heads down and just got on with it then might have had some chance.
slim based on what they have said and done but you never know how things may have turned out
as it is we get 'circus private citizens'

I think they were in total fantasy land that all they had to do was return and doors would open wide for them. They have no sense of the hurt and damage they inflicted.
Hope William and Anne had a good chat in their flight to and from Oslo. She would be a source of very wise counsel, knowing Charles so well.

Ive been thinking about their mindset and can only assume that they genuinely believe the RF have been struggling without them and by coming back they would be welcomed with open arms. Then life would return to the way it was before they left, only the RF would be rushing to apologise for their misdemeanours and they would themselves have the upper hand. I read somewhere that M is expecting an apology from Catherine. Whether that's true or not, who knows. It is evident that they are completely and utterly delusional .

I do wonder what is likely to happen down the line. It seems fairly inevitable that they will strop off to another country dragging their children with them in due course. Then what?

I am not sure I believe that Charles would ever strip their titles, I just think he couldn't bring himself to do it. The only hope is that William will take a much firmer line with them and cut off all their means to claim royal privileges.

I agree, after everything they've said and done! It's quite extraordinary,, and what a level of cognitive dissonance?
We're going to Find Freedom, trash the RF, get personal about family members, monetise bitterness and petulance, tell tall tales.... then come back and be working royals again.
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Really fascinating stuff about PR practises, I thought it was interesting that they disappeared when they got pushback on the idea Harry would soon be back in the fold. No one completely agrees on here, it's the discussion that results which brings me back.

Meghan believes to have single handedly transformed the sexist Procter & Gamble advertising campaign when it was in fact a school social studies class assignment and she believes she is destined single handedly transform the royal family. Classic case of main character syndrome and myth making. It's not healthy. The drama these 2 are instigating is quite alarming.

It's been clear for a while that Harry really believes he is very popular here. He keeps talking about it. I suspect he thought he could come over and use that popularity to leverage the half in half out he has always wanted. Instead he is being firmly told he's a private citizen who can't encroach on the royal preserve.

This doesn't necessarily mean he is unpopular, going by the sample size "people I know" I would guess most don't feel strongly either way, but lukewarm isn't leverage. Put that with his enduring refusal to accept that he isn't a working royal and you get the PR mess he is currently making.

I don't believe any of this will affect security decisions. If there is sufficient threat he will get an appropriate measure of security, if there isn't he won't. I trust that RAVEC are going to be a objective about this now as they have in the past. But will Harry realise that any security he may receive is separate to his perceived status?

As the saying goes, keep your friends close and your enemies closer. The Firm needs to think carefully about managing Harry. Invictus is tarnished and may not even go ahead, so who knows what happens next. He needs to be given something meaningful to do as a “private citizen” allowing him to get involved in charitable work, but nothing connected to the military, as has been patiently explained by pp.

I do think he should keep his title at least for the time being. If they are taken away and he feels he has lost everything, he could become a danger to himself or others. Perhaps a UK based project supporting recovering addicts, conservation, animal welfare or environmental causes could give him a sense of purpose without putting him back in a military role. Some sort of pocket money from daddy and school fees paid under the condition to STFU.

I go out for one evening and have HOW many pages to read! Well done you lot.

I’m just finding the hoo hah fascinating. I wonder what line HAM will have to cross before the King acts. If there is one thing he will have learned from his mum is that Crown is separate from person. And in recent years he’ll have learned that protecting rogue royals (AMW) however much you may love them as a son is detrimental to the Crown.

I doubt KC will make the same mistakes in not dealing with things. But the question is what will break the camel’s back.

Of course, if Megs does leave him, as some are speculating, and they split I think Hazza becomes much more manageable.

No, because status is everything to him, and everything to them as a couple.

Harry won't have learned anything from his Mum. He seems to have little understanding of the role of the Constitutional Monarchy, and even less about the structure of the RF. I won't even go into his criticism of the judiciary and misplaced idea that the Home Secretary should serve his whims.
All he knows is that once he was very rich and popular without having to do a great deal, and stuff was dealt with/paid for and he didn't have to worry. He wants that back.

I actually feel sick every time I read this about Invictus.
It’s so sad that this hideous pair have absolutely no scruples in grabbing whatever they want.
Having worked with Help the Heroes and Tedworth House I know just how much injured service men and women go through and the fact the the Sussexes think it’s okay to milk a charity for whatever they can get is beyond comprehension.

Donated a copy of Spare for the event 😆

https://www.dailymail.com/tvshowbiz/article-16118165/EDEN-CONFIDENTIAL-Prince-Harry-joins-Richard-Branson-charity-bash-Ukraine.html

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