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BigWillyLittleTodger · 13/08/2026 13:06

Are the bets on or off for an invite to Balmoral?
Will Meghan bake a humble pie for Catherine?
Let’s discuss……!

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Lunde · 19/08/2026 17:48

MrsLeonFarrell · 19/08/2026 15:57

People will write books about Charles for the rest of his life and beyond. He knows he can't control the narrative and I doubt he is worried.

Having said that, sad though it is there is nothing out of the ordinary about either Diana or Charles (both of them) upbringing. Childhood at boarding school, abusive boarding schools, warring parents, being brought up by nannies adultery, that was unfortunately all too common in aristocratic circles.

I think the horrible and vitriolic nature of the Johnny/Frances Spencer divorce made it out of the ordinary. Diana also claimed to have witnesses her father hitting her mother.

It was just before the 1969 Divorce reform took effect so there was no concept of "no fault" divorce and proceedings were not held in private either. The claimant had to prove "fault" - cruelty, adultery, insanity etc and all the gory details had to be presented in open court.

The same for the custody case - Johnny Spencer sued for full custody by claiming that Frances was an unfit mother. So again everything was heard in open court, with the intention to destroy the credibility of the other party. The evidence played out with the press present. Frances' mother, Lady Fermoy, supported her son in law, the Viscount, and gave evidence against her daughter.

Then as soon as Viscount Spencer gained full custody he shipped them off to boarding school - not unusual - but I think Diana and Charles had been home-schooled prior to this. So it would have been traumatic to have their parents separate, live with their mother in London, a huge scandalous court case, forcible removal from their mother, but rather than going "home" it was off to boarding school and then a few years later Johnny married a woman that Diana couldn't stand.

Lunde · 19/08/2026 18:07

Claregalway · 19/08/2026 17:32

If CS did extensive and impactful therapy then he would be able to hold two or three things at once, although not on an equal footing - so an abusive father and abused mother, victims of their own upbringing passing on intergenerational trauma by their emotional immaturity and poor coping methods - and also the Mum and Dad he had hoped they would be and maybe for brief moments in his childhood they were. Full therapeutic healing is about arriving at some level of compassion and understanding not either extremes of blame and shame or abuse denial. I really would be interested in CS if he was able to unravel and reflect on what happened to him, his sister, his parents and how this caused issues for the up bringing of his and Diana’s children. PW seemingly was ‘parentified’ by Diana - this has serious implications for his own emotional development etc as it has for PH. PW seems to have had emotional repair through his anchoring and nurturing relationship with the Middleton’s from his teenage years.

PH meanwhile is flaying around with someone equally disturbed from a challenging childhood and that unstable personality has not provided him the foundation to emotionally grow as we can see in his continued reactive and chaotic approach to life.

They both seemed to repeat their parents mistakes,

Both rushed into marriage initially -Diana said that she only met Prince Charles 13 times before her engagement, very few were 1:1, Charles Spencer proposed to his first wife, Victoria Lockwood, only 10 days after meeting her and married after 6 weeks.

Diana married a rather emotionally unavailable man like her father, whereas Charles Spencer married a emotionally fragile woman with substance abuse issues like his mother.

Prince William seems to have done the work in therapy as well as finding a relationship and married into a stable, loving, loyal and trusting family. Whereas Harry seems to have a tendency to the same impulsive behaviour of his mother/uncle despite decades of therapy.

Starryfifty · 19/08/2026 18:19

Lunde · 19/08/2026 18:07

They both seemed to repeat their parents mistakes,

Both rushed into marriage initially -Diana said that she only met Prince Charles 13 times before her engagement, very few were 1:1, Charles Spencer proposed to his first wife, Victoria Lockwood, only 10 days after meeting her and married after 6 weeks.

Diana married a rather emotionally unavailable man like her father, whereas Charles Spencer married a emotionally fragile woman with substance abuse issues like his mother.

Prince William seems to have done the work in therapy as well as finding a relationship and married into a stable, loving, loyal and trusting family. Whereas Harry seems to have a tendency to the same impulsive behaviour of his mother/uncle despite decades of therapy.

H is a cautionary tale. I imagine he jumps from therapist to therapist and does no work on himself

HoldMyWine · 19/08/2026 18:45

Starryfifty · 19/08/2026 17:20

It's no coincidence HAM and hamlets were at balmoral

They didn’t go to balmoral.

Starryfifty · 19/08/2026 18:46

HoldMyWine · 19/08/2026 18:45

They didn’t go to balmoral.

Apologies, Althorp. Balmoral wishful thinking on their part 😂

HoldMyWine · 19/08/2026 18:50

🤣

Lunde · 19/08/2026 19:11

Starryfifty · 19/08/2026 18:19

H is a cautionary tale. I imagine he jumps from therapist to therapist and does no work on himself

Sadly I can imagine Harry will only employ those therapists who tell him what he wants to hear.

Scorchio84 · 19/08/2026 19:27

Frances' mother, Lady Fermoy, supported her son in law, the Viscount, and gave evidence against her daughter.
Then as soon as Viscount Spencer gained full custody he shipped them off to boarding school - not unusual - but I think Diana and Charles had been home-schooled prior to this. So it would have been traumatic to have their parents separate, live with their mother in London, a huge scandalous court case, forcible removal from their mother, but rather than going "home" it was off to boarding school and then a few years later Johnny married a woman that Diana couldn't stand.

Wow @Lunde I never knew any of that, that's shocking

SignsofLife · 19/08/2026 19:50

Scorchio84 · 19/08/2026 19:27

Frances' mother, Lady Fermoy, supported her son in law, the Viscount, and gave evidence against her daughter.
Then as soon as Viscount Spencer gained full custody he shipped them off to boarding school - not unusual - but I think Diana and Charles had been home-schooled prior to this. So it would have been traumatic to have their parents separate, live with their mother in London, a huge scandalous court case, forcible removal from their mother, but rather than going "home" it was off to boarding school and then a few years later Johnny married a woman that Diana couldn't stand.

Wow @Lunde I never knew any of that, that's shocking

It's common knowledge!

Scorchio84 · 19/08/2026 19:56

Fair enough @SignsofLife I'm Irish/German so a bit late to all the goings on in the BRF

SignsofLife · 19/08/2026 20:02

Scorchio84 · 19/08/2026 19:56

Fair enough @SignsofLife I'm Irish/German so a bit late to all the goings on in the BRF

Sorry, that was a bit of a snotty comment. Apologies

AutumnCrowsMusings · 19/08/2026 20:14

According to a Times article about Ruth, Lady Fermoy, she wasn’t on speaking with Diana when she (RLF) died in 1993. I presume she didn’t approve of Diana’s lifestyle - maybe she’d heard in her final couple of years that Diana was putting it about that the ‘greatest love of her life’ Barry Mannakee had been ‘bumped off’ in 1987?

RLF was very strict about the sanctity of marriage, apparently, as pp said.

It’s all quite fascinating.

Still quiet in Montecito?

Scorchio84 · 19/08/2026 20:56

SignsofLife · 19/08/2026 20:02

Sorry, that was a bit of a snotty comment. Apologies

Don't worry about it at all, I've the HAM Show to thank for being 'round these parts & it's been quite the education 😊

Lunde · 19/08/2026 21:07

AutumnCrowsMusings · 19/08/2026 20:14

According to a Times article about Ruth, Lady Fermoy, she wasn’t on speaking with Diana when she (RLF) died in 1993. I presume she didn’t approve of Diana’s lifestyle - maybe she’d heard in her final couple of years that Diana was putting it about that the ‘greatest love of her life’ Barry Mannakee had been ‘bumped off’ in 1987?

RLF was very strict about the sanctity of marriage, apparently, as pp said.

It’s all quite fascinating.

Still quiet in Montecito?

I read somewhere that Lady Fermoy sided with the RF against Diana during the Charles-Diana divorce.

.... she seemed to make a habit of that

Baital · 19/08/2026 21:28

Scorchio84 · 19/08/2026 19:56

Fair enough @SignsofLife I'm Irish/German so a bit late to all the goings on in the BRF

It wasn't the BRF, it was the Spencer family

PigglyWigglyOhYeah · 19/08/2026 21:38

Sorry - interrupting the general flow here. I'm just watching 'A House Through Time' (BBC i-player, if anyone fancies a treat). In the second episode they are looking at bagpipes and talk turns to royal visits to Scotland. Victoria buying Balmoral in the 1850s is mentioned and once again, as someone interested in history, I cannot believe how disinterested Meghan seems to have been about the fantastic history of the family, and country, she was marrying in to. How great would it be to have someone explaining how Victoria purchased, renovated and used Balmoral, for example, and the significant impact that had on public perception of Scotland south of the border?

It was all wasted on her. All that knowledge, history, expertise she had access to. Completely wasted. She was too vacuous to understand the incredible opportunity she had. It makes me cross!

Irememberwhenitwasallfieldsroundhere · 19/08/2026 22:08

IIRC it was Lady Fermoy who was part of the scheming surrounding Diana marrying Charles. ISTR it from Julie Burchill’s book on Diana but I might have that wrong

drivinmecrazy · 19/08/2026 22:08

Well I never!! HAM are apparently moving back to uk according to Telegraph.
moving to a ‘non royal property’ outside of London.
who’d have thunk it!!!! 😂

thenightsky · 19/08/2026 22:11

drivinmecrazy · 19/08/2026 22:08

Well I never!! HAM are apparently moving back to uk according to Telegraph.
moving to a ‘non royal property’ outside of London.
who’d have thunk it!!!! 😂

Oh no! How will they cope with us racist UK citizens?? 😨🙄

Theunamedcat · 19/08/2026 22:11

Why would they come back? I dont think they will unless they are bankrolled by dad shades of andrew being funded by his mother

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TheGospelAccordingToMe · 19/08/2026 22:13

Well I didn’t see that one coming!

Lunde · 19/08/2026 22:14

Irememberwhenitwasallfieldsroundhere · 19/08/2026 22:08

IIRC it was Lady Fermoy who was part of the scheming surrounding Diana marrying Charles. ISTR it from Julie Burchill’s book on Diana but I might have that wrong

Lady Fermoy was a Lady in Waiting and confidante to the Queen Mother who was desperate to get Charles married and producing heirs

KilkennyCats · 19/08/2026 22:14

Mylovelygreendress · 19/08/2026 22:12

But what about his SECURITY?? 😮
I thought they literally went in fear of their lives from the time they stepped off the plane.

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