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The royal family

PR disasters thread 25

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BigWillyLittleTodger · Yesterday 13:24

The Montecito diaries continue……..will it be Balmoral or bust?

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Bobbbb · Today 16:02

Starryfifty · Today 15:51

If that's what lane they stick with, then it's the best for them tbh. It's not dignified but will give them the attention they crave

But again, as ever, they are seemingly unable to monetise this. Most other celebrities sell / do other stuff so their appearance / participation in such events raises their profile and directs new customers to what they sell / do …. but what does this high profile achieve for PH? All it does is open him up to more ridicule and this content makes $$$$ for the hated press. Similarly with MM - she does have a destination point in As Ever but given the absolute massive amount of PR she generates it’s not translating into sales. Maybe she is selling the wrong stuff to the wrong people? I always thought if she had a skincare or makeup brand she would clean up - as I think it’s the only thing she does well.

Lunde · Today 16:22

Harry has made his Army career a central point of his personality. Strutting around at military events wearing his participation medals and writing about his kills as though it was a video game.

But Harry's Army career was very unspectacular (some would say poor) that even as a Sandhurst Trained Officer he only made Captain (2 promotions) after 10 years. Another reason Harry is jealous of William who joined later but got promoted earlier! It took Harry 5 years to make Captain whereas William took only 2!

Prince Harry (Duke of Sussex)
Prince Harry served in the British Army for 10 years (2005 to 2015), undertaking two operational tours of Afghanistan.

  • May 2005 - started at Sandhurst
  • April 12 2006 - completed training - Commissioned Second Lieutenant.
  • April 13 2008 - promoted Lieutenant in the Blues and Royals regiment (2 years post graduation).
  • April 14 2011 promoted to Captain prior to his second deployment, serving as an Apache helicopter pilot until he left Army in June 2015. (5-6 years post graduation)

Prince William (Prince of Wales)
Prince William completed seven and a half years of full-time military service across the British Army, Royal Air Force, and Royal Navy.

  • January 8th 2006 - Started at Sandhurst
  • December 16 2006 completed training - commissioned Second Lieutenant in the Blues and Royals
  • December 2007 - promoted to First Lieutenant (1 year post graduation)
  • Jan 1 2009 promoted to Captain. (2 years post graduation)
  • 2008-2009 - various secondments -graduated RAF College at Cranwell and served onboard a Navy frigate conducting anti drug operations in Barbados, plus special services.
  • 2010 Transferred to RAF and trained to fly Sea King search and rescue operations.
Starryfifty · Today 16:28

Bobbbb · Today 16:02

But again, as ever, they are seemingly unable to monetise this. Most other celebrities sell / do other stuff so their appearance / participation in such events raises their profile and directs new customers to what they sell / do …. but what does this high profile achieve for PH? All it does is open him up to more ridicule and this content makes $$$$ for the hated press. Similarly with MM - she does have a destination point in As Ever but given the absolute massive amount of PR she generates it’s not translating into sales. Maybe she is selling the wrong stuff to the wrong people? I always thought if she had a skincare or makeup brand she would clean up - as I think it’s the only thing she does well.

I don't think they can make a living anymore tbh. Their brand is now toxic. The only way is not the RF connection. I saw some chatter about them moving to Australia and representing KC there

notimagain · Today 16:29

Harry is jealous of William who joined later but got promoted earlier! It took Harry 5 years to make Captain whereas William took only 2!

Out of interest was that anything to do with W being a graduate?

In at least one of the services at one time promotion to the equivalent of army Captain (the highest of the junior officer ranks) was pretty much automatic but the timescale differed, depending on whether you were a graduate or not.

Starryfifty · Today 16:30

Oh dear

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notimagain · Today 16:49

I should have made clear in my previous comment by "graduate" I meant graduating from Uni with a degree.

You can certainly graduate as a junior officer from the likes of Cranwell, Sandhurst or Dartmouth but they don't award degrees.

bluegreygreen · Today 16:57

Lunde · Today 16:22

Harry has made his Army career a central point of his personality. Strutting around at military events wearing his participation medals and writing about his kills as though it was a video game.

But Harry's Army career was very unspectacular (some would say poor) that even as a Sandhurst Trained Officer he only made Captain (2 promotions) after 10 years. Another reason Harry is jealous of William who joined later but got promoted earlier! It took Harry 5 years to make Captain whereas William took only 2!

Prince Harry (Duke of Sussex)
Prince Harry served in the British Army for 10 years (2005 to 2015), undertaking two operational tours of Afghanistan.

  • May 2005 - started at Sandhurst
  • April 12 2006 - completed training - Commissioned Second Lieutenant.
  • April 13 2008 - promoted Lieutenant in the Blues and Royals regiment (2 years post graduation).
  • April 14 2011 promoted to Captain prior to his second deployment, serving as an Apache helicopter pilot until he left Army in June 2015. (5-6 years post graduation)

Prince William (Prince of Wales)
Prince William completed seven and a half years of full-time military service across the British Army, Royal Air Force, and Royal Navy.

  • January 8th 2006 - Started at Sandhurst
  • December 16 2006 completed training - commissioned Second Lieutenant in the Blues and Royals
  • December 2007 - promoted to First Lieutenant (1 year post graduation)
  • Jan 1 2009 promoted to Captain. (2 years post graduation)
  • 2008-2009 - various secondments -graduated RAF College at Cranwell and served onboard a Navy frigate conducting anti drug operations in Barbados, plus special services.
  • 2010 Transferred to RAF and trained to fly Sea King search and rescue operations.

William also trained at Dartmouth, so qualified from all 3 service colleges.

StillHereLolNow · Today 16:58

CormorantWings · Today 10:48

The gap is becoming an enormous chasm and they must know it . Their kids just can't compete with Williams kids. They shouldn't ever have been put on that position either. They played their cards so badly.

Who said it was a competition apart from some of the posters on here?

StillHereLolNow · Today 17:00

KimWexlersPonyTail · Today 11:49

I predict that at some point in the not too distant future they will do a Big Reveal of the HAMlets; it's all they have left unless they can get some much needed RF adjacentcy/HIHO

It’s a shame that some posters have to resort to childish nicknames for Archie and Lili.

bluegreygreen · Today 17:04

Starryfifty · Today 16:30

Oh dear

Yes, more on the Travalyst story here

https://archive.is/ALXXE

They've appointed 4 people to the board, including the new director. I find it interesting that they refer to both incoming and outgoing board members by their roles in other organisations, not by their role in Travalyst.

(I think we discussed when both the chairman and CEO stood down in September.)

Lunde · Today 17:06

StillHereLolNow · Today 16:58

Who said it was a competition apart from some of the posters on here?

Well Harry keeps talking about A & L being working royals and Archie "inheriting" Invictus ... despite saying he hated royal life

I don't understand what the current HAM strategy is - outside of merching for money. Most people were fine with their original plan of no titles and visibility for the kids to grown up away from royal life with occasional family events - like the Tindall kids. But now they are influencer kids which seems strange.

I doubt if there is any prospect of a future royal role as distant cousins to George,

CariadDarling · Today 17:08

notimagain · Today 12:09

My consistent take on this is that I've seen enough of how mlitary flying training works (both as a student and as an instructor) to find it hard to see how H could have cheated the system and been snuck through somehow, and I've also heard reports for a couple of those around Shawbury at the time he was there that he did OK...

However unless a lot of his post army activities have been hidden he did it just long enough to tick box labelled "helicopter pilot just like brother but unlike him I went to war.." then he seesm to have dropped flying...so no recent pictures.

He now lives in one of the easiest places on earth to get/maintain a basic recreational licence but it does need effort. Given there's no real public sign (e.g. on SM) of him doing so I suspect he maybe can't be arsed...

Compare with W who at least having left the military did put the effort in to do a mil to civilian transition to get the commercial licence and ratings needed for the Air Ambulance job he held for a while.

" serious question: Is Pilot Harry just another facet of the Happy Hero Harry created by the RF's PRs?,"

I think that's quite possible but it doesn't mean he couldn't fly a helicopter.

Both military and civilian Aviation has been our family thing for almost 50 years and as much as I have no respect/ liking for Harry I don’t think even for a few seconds that he can’t fly a helicopter and fly it very well.

AnAutumnCrow · Today 17:09

notimagain · Today 16:49

I should have made clear in my previous comment by "graduate" I meant graduating from Uni with a degree.

You can certainly graduate as a junior officer from the likes of Cranwell, Sandhurst or Dartmouth but they don't award degrees.

There’s threads now on MN about four year olds ‘graduating’ from nursery, @notimagain. It’s probably best to specify Grin

BigWillyLittleTodger · Today 17:09

Starryfifty · Today 15:51

If that's what lane they stick with, then it's the best for them tbh. It's not dignified but will give them the attention they crave

Couple that with the twerking video and yes that’s their level, how they monetise twerking and boorish banter though remains to be seen.

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CariadDarling · Today 17:11

StillHereLolNow · Today 17:00

It’s a shame that some posters have to resort to childish nicknames for Archie and Lili.

It’s a term of endearment just as the Wales’s is for George, Charlotte and Louis.

You need to try harder to find something to pick on.

CariadDarling · Today 17:16

I seem to recall ‘passing out’ from the likes of Cranwell.

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