Here we go … Andrew to leave Royal Lodge and lose title

[Flixon]

Headlined in The Times just now …. About bloody time …

I no fan of any royal, but what in God's earth has Harry done can be remotely likened to Andrews carry on?

He isn't a Prince any more. King Charles has just stripped him of that title.

Yes, this step hasn't happened as a result of only one thing. It's been many things, coming together within a short space of time.

As one of life's general rules, I think that everything happens for lots of contributory reasons, never for just one or two.

Imagine having your mother come live with you and your husband and kids at that stage of life... and your mother being Fergie!

Much as I dislike Andrew and Sarah, they do seem to love each other in their weird way, despite all the affairs and scandal and divorce. They can't seem to really give each other up.

I think most people if they found out their parent had been using prostitutes essentially and lying about it on a grand scale, and associating with someone who acted as a pimp and trafficked women, whilst calling these people friends would not want anything to do with their parent again.

I really hope not. Epstein is dead, so what exactly do his victims want from all this? Do people really want all this raked over

Justice , just because someone is dead doesn't erase their crimes. And yes, people do want this to be 'raked over' .

Imagine having your mother come live with you and your husband and kids at that stage of life... and your mother being Fergie!

Now that could be the premise for a really cracking soap opera.

I am no fan of H & M and I would like to see the titles of Prince /Princess restricted to immediate family of the heir- so Charlotte is Princess, but any children she may have are not. However, nothing H&M have done can compare with the immoral, shameless behaviour of Andrew MB. Guilty of a ‘crime’ or not (and I believe he is 100% guilty) he has lied, and shown no remorse . He has been unable to resist trying to be front and centre of any opportunity to be seen. He has created his own downfall.

Charles cannot demand any such thing.
This is about due process of law.

The odious Mandelson has faced very little consequence yet and nothing like on the scale of Andrew Windsor. The wanker is still very much a valued member of the House of Lords.

Very good point. How come he's not being held to account?

Andrew doesn't think that he has done anything wrong as he is a thoroughly deluded, unpleasant and entitled man who thought that his position as a son of a reigning Queen meant that he had an absolute 'droit de seigneur' and could have sex with sex trafficked women with no consequences, legal or otherwise.

@ThatCyanCat- if he hadn’t been exposed as abusive and possibly also a spy, I reckon we’d be currently sold their great love story, remarrying in later life, always were the one for each other - there would be think pieces about couples who dated when young then got together later in life, lots of about were some couples too quick to divorce etc.

If he wasn’t so vile, this would be lovely PR for the Royal family, and would quietly show Charles as more forgiving and modern than his mother.

@FluentOP i think she just referred to an ex PM but didn’t specify nationality.

Whilst I do hope more people are held to account with links to Epstein, personally I hope the pressure is kept up and the press/public aren't distracted by the offering up of Andrew as a sacrificial lamb. Hopefully this triggers a more in-depth look at royal finances and property also. It is ridiculous they are in receipt of multiple millions of pounds a year by the Government yet we know so little about their finances. Why TF does Beatrice and Eugene have grace and favour apartments at Kensington Palace? What do either of them do for the UK taxpayer? If KC and William really want to modernise they could start with cutting off the grifters and hangers on.

Oh, if only Sue Townsend was still alive. She'd deliver, and it would be glorious!

I think that it's something to do with not having had sex with trafficked women?

They are princesses because they are grandchildren of the (then) monarch on the male line (Andrew). Same as Archie and Lilli.

There is a lot more that isn't talked about but is in the Andrew Lownie book. dodgy deals in various places. That might, sadly, be the actual reason for this rather than VG's accusations.

If you start looking at AMW's finances you might be interested in the rest of the family's finances.

I like the idea though of AMW being sent to the same house Prince John was sent to when he was withdrawn from public view.

I thought he'd been removed from the Lords. I'm getting him mixed up with someone else.

The chalet was £18 mil - in typical style he didn’t pay in full at time but how was he even in the market for this? That’s some gift from a dodgy businessman!

I agree with your post, apart from calling Virginia a prostitute. I don't have the stomach to read her book, but I believe that one of the points that puts Andy MB outside civilised society is that these were not women trading sex for money, but children being put in situations where they couldn't say no.

@FluentOP
It was an ex Israeli prime minister.

As much as I have some sympathy for B&E, I reserve my greater sympathy for the children of VG. A worldwide published book detailing the grotesque abuse their mother suffered. I hope they have good people around them.

Why do Beatrice and Eugene have grace and favour apartments at St James Palace ? They are not working royals. The royal family are a load of freeloading scroungers.