Here we go … Andrew to leave Royal Lodge and lose title

[Flixon]

Headlined in The Times just now …. About bloody time …

Anne's children were not entitled to Prince/ess as they're through the female line, Edward and Sophie chose not to give the titles to their children but at 18 they could apply to have them as a right.

It will be kind of funny if he ever attends a family event that's also televised (wedding or funeral) to hear the commentators saying "here comes Princess Anne, The Duke of Edinburgh, Andrew and Prince Michael of Kent". It makes him sound like the butler or something!

He's not been accused of being a PAEDOPHILE to my knowledge. That's someone who has sex with pre-pubescent children.

He's been accused of being a sex offender/rapist.

The Daily Mail is bad for that too - they always refer to "paedophile footballer Adam Johnson" (who had sex with a 15yr old girl). (Not excusing it, just pointing out that the terminology is incorrect).

I do find it surprising that the settlement with Virginia didn't include a long term gagging order.

How often you really see Kate and the kids??

Anne did not refuse royal titles for her children. She and her husband effectively refused noble titles by Mark Philips refusing an earldom. The late Queen offered to do for Anne what she did for her sister Margaret. Margaret accepted (well technically her husband did) but Anne and Mark refused.

"Titles deprivation act 1917"
So yes, he can and he is having his birth title removed

And let's be absolutely clear....no one is going to push this as far as its been pushed this evening, unless they know some appalling shit. We have no idea as yet. But it will come out, I expect

There isn't a witch hunt. Andrew Windsor is simply being made to pay for his lies, abuse and deceit

There must be something worse to come out for this to have been done...time will tell

@2010Aussie Your definition clearly says ‘holding views that are considered unorthodox or a threat to society’ what VIEWS does Andrew hold that are a threat to society?

Come on, just admit your definition does not work! And your use of the term ‘witch hunt’ is wrong!

Yes because they believe he is guilty.

But it’s not been proven. Has it? I believe he’s guilty btw. But my understanding is that there’s been no conclusive evidence shared.

What’s Harry’s crime? Marrying a black woman?

I'm confused someone has sued VG estate ?

Probably because she didn’t do it for the money.

So having sex with non consenting trafficked teenage girl is "unorthodox".

@nomas why did she settle at all then? I think if it were me I would have insisted on my day in court.

BTW I'm not saying I don't believe her.

Oh for goodness sake, give it a rest.

Yes. Yes, we do.

This is from Wikipedia, I had never heard of this before but saw her being interviewed, she said she was awarded $7.5m just before VG died.

Trigger warning

“Rina Oh v. Virginia Giuffre (2021)
Rina Oh sued Giuffre for defamation in October 2021 in Manhattan federal court, for $20 million in damages.[103] The lawsuit referenced a series of tweets Giuffre made which accused Oh of helping traffic girls for Epstein, while Oh maintained she was a victim who had never helped traffickers.[103] Oh acknowledged that she introduced three young women to Epstein including Marijke Chartouni,[104] and that she had taken Giuffre shopping for a schoolgirl outfit on Epstein's orders.[105] In 2022 in court documents, Oh accused Giuffre of touching her sexually without consent while Epstein watched, but Giuffre denied the claim.[106] Giuffre filed a counterclaim in May 2022 alleging that Oh had cut her during sadomasochistic games done for Epstein.[107]”

I thought that Virginia might have refused being legally ‘gagged’ for more than the year. She’d just filed her case in civil court after a judge said she had grounds to bring her case. It was very soon after - next day maybe - that the settlement was reached. Virginia had bargaining power.

I wish Virginia Guiffre was a live to see this day. At least her brother and sister and her kids will know. Also the other Epstein victims.

It's certainly unusual.

What the FUCK?

Are you mad?

I wonder what their idea of small is? A two-bedroomed terrace in Sidcup?

I wonder then why they paid millions to avoid a court case if she was just going to write a book? Surely in some ways a court case would be better as she would be cross-examined by Andrew's lawyers?

What children did Harry abuse? FFS.