Prince Andrew Thread 2

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www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4442126-Prince-Andrew

Here is previous thread.

I've started a new thread because today and tomorrow is crucial as far as the pending civil case.

And I also had a few comments I wanted to say to posters at the end of the last thread, but it ran out.

EM was interviewed about the interview one week after it had aired on loose ends (Radio 4). She noted that PA thought the interview went very well, and that the opening sequences (PA giving AM a tour of the royal picture gallery) were conducted after the interview. So he really did think that this was a cracking interview. Where he had demonstrated clearly to the little people he had not questions to answer. If he is arrogant enough to conclude the interview was good, he is arrogant enough to see sex with procured women as a right.

Not to detract from PA but I'm interested to see who else will be outed, especially if GM speaks or her 'little black book' is brought into speculation. Some big names there

Indeed. I wonder what would make her either speak out or keep quiet.

I love the bit where they dissect his special pronunciation of 'Ghislaine', as if he's saying to Emily Maitlis, 'I'm correcting you, and she's my special friend not yours, your utter serf'.

Scottish independence Always with this line on MN

GM won’t sing just yet. It’s her trump card and the thing she has when all other avenues are exhausted. For now her defence team will file countless appeals and attempts to overturn the verdict and that could drag on for years. Only when she is truly staring down the barrel of 20+ years in jail will she decide whether or not to speak up.

I’ve just finished listening to the second part of the Real Crime Profile discussion on the trial verdict. They discuss the prospect of GM making a plea bargain and they honestly think that if she does, which is by no means guaranteed, it could be a significant moment in history with the potential to bring down global trafficking rings and expose a lot of powerful people.

@CaveMum

GM won’t sing just yet. It’s her trump card and the thing she has when all other avenues are exhausted. For now her defence team will file countless appeals and attempts to overturn the verdict and that could drag on for years. Only when she is truly staring down the barrel of 20+ years in jail will she decide whether or not to speak up.

I’ve just finished listening to the second part of the Real Crime Profile discussion on the trial verdict. They discuss the prospect of GM making a plea bargain and they honestly think that if she does, which is by no means guaranteed, it could be a significant moment in history with the potential to bring down global trafficking rings and expose a lot of powerful people.

For now, I suspect her main priority is simply staying alive.

Very interesting on Part 2 of the Body Language analysing of PA's interview.

4 experts. It's a mixture of 25% truth, 75% deception and 50/50

The Queen and her Royal machine moved pdq to remove Harry's military patronages and military titles. They moved pdq to remove Diana's HRH - amazing, but predictable, how Andrew gets to keep all his and the privileges they bring. It's been clear for years that Andrew has been bringing the royal family into disrepute (not that they need any help with that).

The problem with the body language experts is I really don't think pa understands what he has done.
I mean he may know in his heart he has been naughty but I don't feel someone like him can really understand the desperate fear, powerlessness of these girls in the face of people like himself and epstein.

I don't think he has the emotional intelligence or inclination to actually understand what was going on.
I mean one would have to get him in jail and locked in with a fellow prisoners to rape him and he has to be pretend to enjoy it to really understand what was going on?

I think a hybrid of the predictions by @CaveMum and @givethatbabyaname will come to pass.

Ultimately it will not be that PA sees the inside of Belmarsh, but he will be surgically removed from the post HMQ monarchy.

If GM stays alive long enough for sentencing that's when the real shit should hit the fan. This was never a PA/JE/GM vacuum, there is a fucktonne of money and the ability that brings to exploit and cover up in equal measure that supported this global trafficking operation.

Just because it involved private jets, actual islands, property in the worlds most expensive cities, billionaires, politicians, CEO's, the BRF, tycoons offspring doesn't make it any different to trafficking 14 year olds from Ukraine to work in grubby nail bars and massage parlours fronting as brothels.

PA is the man stupid enough to have been photographed, but he's a small fry distraction to the people I'm certain are really bollocks deep in this despicable enterprise. Let's try two ex US Presidents and one of the most famous CEO of the world for starters.

If GM stays alive long enough for sentencing that's when the real shit should hit the fan. This was never a PA/JE/GM vacuum, there is a fucktonne of money and the ability that brings to exploit and cover up in equal measure that supported this global trafficking operation.

It would cost a few hundred dollars to off anyone in a US jail if needed*. Unless there is bigger money protecting the victim.

The real question right now should be whose benefit the current will she/won't she state of affairs works for, weighed against what would happen if the beans were spilled (given that as an accomplice and convicted sex trafficker, GMs testimony is only of limited value) and then weighed against the likelihood of GM living our the rest of her 30+ year sentence in conditions that are still better than those a lot of Mirror pensioners had to end their days in.

I would have "forgotten" the whole Maxwell-Mirror criminal pension fraud, if GMs brothers hadn't decided to to stick their heads out of their dunghills.

I laughed at the Body Language experts video when PA is calling Fergie The Duchess 😂😂

the Real Crime Profile discussion on the trial verdict ... discuss the prospect of GM making a plea bargain

That reminds me that we've not had anything definitive about the timing of this from any legal people (anyone know what happened to Serenster?)

I was told that plea bargains had to happen before the actual trial and that it was too late for one now, but I can't know whether this is correct or not

Yes me too Parkhead

That's what Saville called his Mum.

The document has been released-
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/14945220/giuffre-v-dershowitz/?filedafter=&fileddbefore=&entrygte=334&entryylte=&order_by=asc#entry-334

It's exhibit A

Just starting the body language thing. First things struck me he said, I don't go into friendship looking for bad stuff.

Well, as a royal, royals who are targeted he bloody well should! Esp when trying to act on the UK behalf.

Secondly he says access to wall street etc was vital

Remember from the epstein article, les wexlers first money manager said he had an MBA and was sent to chat to epstein and said he suspected him as a fraud from the off and couldn't understand at all what epstein was trying to talk about money wise!

How utterly pitiful that our royal envoy can only access wall street through an absolute charleton who has cuckhood les wexlers money.

Which Exhibit A, cathy? There are several of them across various dates, some for sale and some (like the first which appears) filed "under seal" which is presumably why it's blank?

twitter.com/audreyjourno/status/1478039942035034113?s=21

Pics of tweeted settlement

Does anyone recall the interview Sarah Ferguson gave on breakfast TV recently? I can't remember what she was plugging, maybe she's pretended to write written another book.

Anyway, during the course of the interview, she made several references to His Royal Highness Prince Andrew (using his full title) and insisting on what a wonderful husband he'd been and what a marvellous father he has always been, and how they are truly each other's best friend.

It was sickening, in light of what he stands accused of. Like she was saying 'he's a decent man because I say so' almost as if she'd been paid to tell the viewing public what a fantastic human being her revolting, repulsive, rapist ex is.

Ah, thanks cathy - will take time to read it later

@SailingNotSurfing Andrew and her probably thought that would be good publicity for Andrew.
They do seem to think because they are members of the Royal Family, us plebs should just believe what they say.

@Puzzledandpissedoff

the Real Crime Profile discussion on the trial verdict ... discuss the prospect of GM making a plea bargain

That reminds me that we've not had anything definitive about the timing of this from any legal people (anyone know what happened to Serenster?)

I was told that plea bargains had to happen before the actual trial and that it was too late for one now, but I can't know whether this is correct or not

I may have used the wrong turn of phrase in describing it as a plea bargain, but I got the impression from the RCP podcast that if GM chooses to speak before sentencing then the Judge will take that into account when deciding her sentence and where it will be served.

They seem to think it likely that her sentence will be concurrent rather than consecutive - par for the course for rich white folk unfortunately.

Blimey that was amazing and fascinating!!! So he basically lied about everything and everyone.

Sorry meant to quote the body language video. Really worth a watch if you don't mind losing an hour or so.