Prince Andrew Thread 2

[Roussette]

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4442126-Prince-Andrew

Here is previous thread.

I've started a new thread because today and tomorrow is crucial as far as the pending civil case.

And I also had a few comments I wanted to say to posters at the end of the last thread, but it ran out.

Just to go back briefly on this point before the thread ends:

Yes supposedly the Queen was protecting the boys as their mum had died, and then made them walk behind her coffin. Hardly showing a protective instinct.
Lots of people were not happy at the boys being made to do that, but at the time most speculated it was because they were worried the public might throw things at the RF and the boys there would stop that happening.

Not strictly true. Tony Blair and his aides took over the whole charade and there were some outrageous funeral suggestions that were being suggested to the royal family. It’s widely known that Prince Philip told Tony Blair’s aides to F**k Off. The Queen was between a rock and a hard place. In hindsight she probably would now have taken a leaf out of Prince Philip’s book.

www.express.co.uk/news/royal/843653/Princess-Diana-funeral-Prince-Philip-Tony-Blair-swore-Prince-Harry-Prince-William/amp

the idea of the boys doing that appalling walk Yes. William and Harry both lost their mother

www.opendemocracy.net/en/odr/-kazakhstan-burns-elites-wealth-safe-in-london/

Nice pic of the RF (including Andy) in with the Kazakh elite which has busily been concealing its oil and gas wealth in London. Birds of a feather, etc.

Be interesting to see how that piece fits into the Windsor jigsaw.

Interesting Nice. If I remember correctly, PA was involved with the pipelines in Kazakstahn

the Duke had brokered a deal to assist a Greek and Swiss consortium in securing a £385 million contract to build water and sewerage networks in two of Kazakhstan's largest cities, while working as British trade envoy, and had stood to gain a £4 million payment in commission. The newspaper published an email from the Duke to Kazakh oligarch Kenges Rakishev, (who had allegedly brokered sale of the Prince's Berkshire mansion Sunninghill Park), and claimed that Rakishev had arranged meetings for the consortium. After initially claiming the email was a forgery, Buckingham Palace sought to block its publication as a privacy breach. The Palace strongly denied the allegation that the Duke had acted as a "fixer" calling the article "untrue, defamatory and a breach of the editor's code of conduct"

Lots of covering up by the Palace then...

In other words there are a lot of stupid posters on MN

Your words.

@Roussette

I shall start a new thread soon. Tomorrow could well be a key day for PA if it's decided that tthe case goes forward, or is dropped.

I'm in two minds about it.

On the one hand I want to see it go forward. On the other the judge taking his time means the arrogant, entitled favourite son is left sweating by one of the little people with nothing in the world to be done about it.

Must be a completely new feeling for him not being able to lie or buy his way out of the discomfort.

That's very true!

I don't think this is the last we'll hear about Kazakhstan in conjunction with Andrew.

At least he's getting some recent practice in "strong denials" with the VG case. I wonder what his excuse will be for this one.

[quote StormzyinaTCup]Just to go back briefly on this point before the thread ends:

Yes supposedly the Queen was protecting the boys as their mum had died, and then made them walk behind her coffin. Hardly showing a protective instinct.
Lots of people were not happy at the boys being made to do that, but at the time most speculated it was because they were worried the public might throw things at the RF and the boys there would stop that happening.

Not strictly true. Tony Blair and his aides took over the whole charade and there were some outrageous funeral suggestions that were being suggested to the royal family. It’s widely known that Prince Philip told Tony Blair’s aides to F**k Off. The Queen was between a rock and a hard place. In hindsight she probably would now have taken a leaf out of Prince Philip’s book.

www.express.co.uk/news/royal/843653/Princess-Diana-funeral-Prince-Philip-Tony-Blair-swore-Prince-Harry-Prince-William/amp[/quote]
My recollection at the time was that it was an awful thing to make them do and that it had been the Royal Family's decision.

@NiceShrubbery

Eh? You're the one cherry picking.

Of course the NHS accountability system is broken and corrupt. But at least there IS one and the public acknowledge the need for it to exist and some people could, if they were arsed enough, bring its failings more into the public eye.

The Royals have NO accountability. At all.

No cherry picking from me. I have lots of experience of the NHS from my own personal experiences, plus that of my own parents and grandparents. 90% of which were appalling.

I have no experience of the benefit system or the police service, and therefore cannot comment on either.

As for the royal family, they cannot help the fact that they were born royal anymore than anyone else can help the fact that they were born into poverty. Should their every single/choice decision be criticised?

I imagine it was because it was turned into a state funeral.

If not, there probably wouldn't have been a question of anyone walking behind.

When it is illegal, yes it should. Some may believe they were anointed by God, some of us don't think this. If Andrew was involved in a paedophile ring, and has illegal dealings with Arab billionaires then he needs to face the consequences and yes we should scrutinise this behaviour. There are other European royal families who seem to have understood that a pared down, low key Royal family is the reasonable way forward. Andrew believes he is above the law. I hope Andrew is proved wrong.

Should their every single/choice decision be criticised?

Yes, relentlessly. Till they crack under the pressure and the full extent of their lying and thieving is laid bare.

Even if they were squeaky clean, the monarchy has no legitimate basis for existence in a democracy (we don't have one of those either, but that's a different thread) - other than the legitimacy the RF fabricates for itself. There is no such thing as a 21st-century "constitutional monarchy". We have no constitution and the shameful empire has crumbled.

Our present funding of the RF is just the shameless exploitation of a gullible and apathetic public.

It's incredible how many people are disinterested/unsupportive of the RF, and yet spend hours writing endless repetitive comments about them.

Get a life!

Night all.

It's also incredible how so many are led to sweet clear water but refuse to drink.

G'night

I'm not disinterested. This is a thread about PA who is involved in a case that affects the RF. Of course, we'll be commenting on it, lots of people in many different countries are, why should we just ignore what's going on?
I won't be because his behaviour over decades is appalling, and I will always be questioning it.

New thread, in case anyone missed it upthread

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/the_royal_family/4449237-Prince-Andrew-Thread-3

Not disinterested here either. Very interested indeed. Think it's about time a lot more people became interested too. The scrutiny of the rf is well overdue

But do sleep well!

[quote StormzyinaTCup]Just to go back briefly on this point before the thread ends:

Yes supposedly the Queen was protecting the boys as their mum had died, and then made them walk behind her coffin. Hardly showing a protective instinct.
Lots of people were not happy at the boys being made to do that, but at the time most speculated it was because they were worried the public might throw things at the RF and the boys there would stop that happening.

Not strictly true. Tony Blair and his aides took over the whole charade and there were some outrageous funeral suggestions that were being suggested to the royal family. It’s widely known that Prince Philip told Tony Blair’s aides to F**k Off. The Queen was between a rock and a hard place. In hindsight she probably would now have taken a leaf out of Prince Philip’s book.

www.express.co.uk/news/royal/843653/Princess-Diana-funeral-Prince-Philip-Tony-Blair-swore-Prince-Harry-Prince-William/amp[/quote]
That is a rewriting of history.
Tony Blair was involved. It genuinely felt for a moment that the Royal Family could be overthrown. Tony Blair went to see the Queen and persuaded her to come back to London, look at the flowers left outside of BP and generally act like Diana's death mattered.
Remember Diana's death was mentioned in nearly every Sunday church service after she died, except the one the RF attended that Sunday.
I see a lot of rewriting of history happening with the RF. My gran said the same about the Blitz and the RF.

@diddl

I imagine it was because it was turned into a state funeral.

If not, there probably wouldn't have been a question of anyone walking behind.

It was not a state funeral. The Royal Family were very clear on that point.

Tony Blair went to see the Queen and persuaded her to come back to London, look at the flowers left outside of BP and generally act like Diana's death mattered.

That sounds a bit like Alistair Campbell spin.

The Queen and Prince Philip wanted to stay in Balmoral with the Princes and then have a private funeral.

I don't disagree that the public felt she should come back, I remember the outcry at the time. Tony Blair was tuned into public opinion and optics. He was after all the one who crowned the phrase 'Peoples Princess'.

Mr Blair said that, without wishing to sound callous, he wanted to manage” the situation and shape the public grief that would follow.

If the Queen had stuck to her guns and had the private funeral then things would be a lot different. We might not have a monarchy as we know it but the Princes would be in a better place.

Do you not wonder why the Queen has only now given Tony Blair a knighthood? Do you think Prince Philip might have said, given the damage done to the princes for attending their mother's very public funeral (against his wishes) something along the lines of "whilst I live and breathe this man will not get a knighthood"?

Just a thought.

@StormzyinaTCup it was said at the time the RF wanted the boys to do the walk. If Tony Blair was so tuned into public opinion he would know that generally the public did not want this.

The idea of a private funeral conducted totally in private was seen by the public as the RF wanting to downplay how important Diana was. They had made clear before her déath that she was no longer a RF member.

[quote RoyalFamilyFan]@StormzyinaTCup it was said at the time the RF wanted the boys to do the walk. If Tony Blair was so tuned into public opinion he would know that generally the public did not want this.[/quote]
No they didn't. Tony Blair wanted a public funeral and for the RF to be seen mourning publicly.

There was no outcry from the public about the boys being there until after the event. The public demanded Royal mourning and that's what they got.