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Prince Andrew Thread 2

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Roussette · 03/01/2022 11:34

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4442126-Prince-Andrew

Here is previous thread.

I've started a new thread because today and tomorrow is crucial as far as the pending civil case.

And I also had a few comments I wanted to say to posters at the end of the last thread, but it ran out.

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Thoosa · 03/01/2022 13:31

Thanks @Roussette - clearly the daughters and Fergie are taking the blind loyalty route then. I had wondered if they had mixed feelings but apparently not.

Newyearoldyou · 03/01/2022 13:34

"can't sweat letter" Grin

RedLines · 03/01/2022 13:34

This is a bit of an eye-opener
4 bodylanguage experts demolish the car crash interview

Puzzledandpissedoff · 03/01/2022 13:36

even if he got a letter from a dodgy Dr saying he couldn't fly for a trial in the US, he also wouldn't be able to go anywhere else. The press would be following wanting to get photos of the supposedly ill Andrew on a ski slope or similar

Very true, RoyalFamilyFan, so perhaps he'll just have to stay at home and get the dodgy millionaires to come to him

The really worrying thing is that some may be prepared to do just that, especially those whose tastes match his own

derxa · 03/01/2022 13:37

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StormzyinaTCup · 03/01/2022 13:37

Rousette - Re Gislaine’s money and the PA response to the TV interview, if the crime and allegations weren’t so serious it would actually be funny.

Beatrice was apparently upset for days after the interview and felt responsible for the backlash against her dad.

I was aware that Beatrice was part of the meetings with her dad/advisor/Emily Maitliss which unfortunately, does then beg the question did father and daughter concoct the Pizza Express alibi.

PA needs to stop dragging his daughters into his web of deceit and lies.

Blossomtoes · 03/01/2022 13:38

@MrsColon

The Queen just continues to defend Andrew.

Well of course she does, he's her son, not just an employee! It really complicates things given that it's such a very family-based business. I really feel for her, it must be awful having your beloved son do something so terrible Sad

It was very brave of her to basically sack him from the business, but now she's supporting him privately as his mother.

This. It makes no difference what the legal verdict is. He’s been convicted in the court of public opinion, will live in exile for the rest of his life and will always be a huge embarrassment to the royal family. He must live in dread of the Queen dying because there appears to be little sympathy for him among his siblings.

I feel so sorry for her. It must be dreadful to have a son like this.

Newyearoldyou · 03/01/2022 13:41

Puzzled I don't know why you keep calling them dodgy millionaires

These are very important people he's been meeting as our ambassador to the betterment of the UK
Very. Important. People.

Vapeyvapevape · 03/01/2022 13:43

Apparently Beatrice doesn’t remember going to pizza express and the parents of the birthday child don’t remember him being there either, I’ll try and find a link.

SpindleSpangle · 03/01/2022 13:46

@RoyalFamilyFan

I remember reading that he wanted to do a second interview to clear a few things up.
I think we'd be entering Ben Swain territory there.
SpankyPankhurst · 03/01/2022 13:48

@Vapeyvapevape

Apparently Beatrice doesn’t remember going to pizza express and the parents of the birthday child don’t remember him being there either, I’ll try and find a link.
Sure who'd notice a prince of the realm there at your kid's party.
foreverlove · 03/01/2022 13:49

Surprised this thread hasn't yet been pulled by PA's lawyers

Vapeyvapevape · 03/01/2022 13:53

@SpankyPankhurst to be fair, I became immune to all the tiaras and crowns after the first few years of hosting dd’s parties .

Roussette · 03/01/2022 13:53

@RedLines

Thank you for the youtube link. I am watching bits of it and to be honest, it's even more gobsmacking than first time round. I cannot get over how complimentary PA is about Epstein. I'd forgotten that bit, he is banging on about his extraordinary ability to bring people together at the moment.
Will keep watching.
This interview really has gone down in history

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Roussette · 03/01/2022 13:54

Surprised this thread hasn't yet been pulled by PA's lawyers

If they did, they'd need to take down Twitter too.
It's far worse on there what is being said, than us discussing it

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SerendipityJane · 03/01/2022 14:08

@foreverlove

Surprised this thread hasn't yet been pulled by PA's lawyers
On what grounds ?

That is the corner Prince Andrew has chosen to paint himself into. As long as he remains holed up in a UK taxpayer funded rat hole, he has no agency to defend any reputation he and the terminally dim sycophantic royal arse kissers believe he has.

If this thread - or indeed the untold miles of press discussion of his culpability in any number of serious crimes - is untrue, or defamatory then he knows exactly what the remedy is. To sue in one of mummys courts and gain redress.

The fact he is geographically as far from a UK court as is possible while actually being in the UK should be noted even if I just made it up.

Seems this royal family fairytale is more Grimms than Anderson.

DobbyTheHouseElk · 03/01/2022 14:09

I watched that YouTube video with the body language experts. Fascinating and horrifying in equal measure.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 03/01/2022 14:10

Puzzled I don't know why you keep calling them dodgy millionaires
These are very important people he's been meeting as our ambassador to the betterment of the UK
Very. Important. People.

Love it Grin Grin

And as Roussette just said, there's much worse out there; at least most on MN are honest enough to say they can't yet know whether he's guilty of an actual crime

SpindleSpangle · 03/01/2022 14:11

@StormzyinaTCup

Rousette - Re Gislaine’s money and the PA response to the TV interview, if the crime and allegations weren’t so serious it would actually be funny.

Beatrice was apparently upset for days after the interview and felt responsible for the backlash against her dad.

I was aware that Beatrice was part of the meetings with her dad/advisor/Emily Maitliss which unfortunately, does then beg the question did father and daughter concoct the Pizza Express alibi.

PA needs to stop dragging his daughters into his web of deceit and lies.

I'm pretty sure now that Beatrice was the person who supposedly jogged Andrew's memory about being at the Pizza Express in Woking on the day/evening he was at Annabelle's.

They're both thick enough to think it's a good alibi for a nightclub that doesn't open till many hours later ...

It's like me saying I couldn't have been hanging about under the station clock at midnight because I was home watching that live transmission of Eastenders.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 03/01/2022 14:13

to be fair, I became immune to all the tiaras and crowns after the first few years of hosting dd’s parties

Peasant Wink Grin

Clearly you don't realise the importance of these particular baubles, and that they're only conferred on those chosen by God himself ...

foreverlove · 03/01/2022 14:13

Not to detract from PA but I'm interested to see who else will be outed, especially if GM speaks or her 'little black book' is brought into speculation. Some big names there...

SetPhasersTaeMalkie · 03/01/2022 14:15

[quote RedLines]This is a bit of an eye-opener
4 bodylanguage experts demolish the car crash interview

[/quote] Someone mentioned this video on a previous thread. So interesting and very much worth a watch. I spent yesterday down a YouTube rabbit hole watching body language videos..
givethatbabyaname · 03/01/2022 14:15

There’s absolutely no way a senior royal figure will participate in a trial, as a witness and definitely not as the accused. It’s too risky. As individuals they have nothing to gain and everything to lose, and as members of the BRF the monarchy itself would be jeopardised if something untrue or incriminating came out. And the repercussions of that are unthinkable (Scottish independence, Brexit and NI firstly, then swelling support for a republic and growing members of the Commonwealth wanting to leave). There’s too much at stake, it would be against the national interest.

It is a given that there will never be a trial, and all the parties know that.

The DA’s office in SDNY is doing all that needs to be done to bare their teeth in their own political game, knowing full well nothing will come of it. They can look aggressive and ruthless (not that they’re even doing that, really) without taking any risks. This case is a gift: they get to support women’s rights, at a time where Roe v Wade is up in front of the Supreme Court thanks to the Southern states, and when it all crumbles they’ll look like champions of women’s rights of the progressive Democrat northern states.

What this takes is proper, investigative reporting and a whistleblower. Not the court of public opinion which is manipulated by PR representatives, social media, even the MSM with its vested interests. Just old fashioned, plodding investigative reporting. It’ll be the Guardian, probably, given their anti-monarchy project and reporting on HMQ’s abuse of the royal prerogative and the Firm’s finances.

And even if the top is blown, it’ll all blow over with William and Catherine ultimately settling in as the modern heads of a radically slimmed down - but still disgustingly rich - monarchy. Loads of properties, artefacts, artwork, jewels, land will be turned over to public hands. No royal yacht or train. Lots of emphasis on history, not much future visioning for the monarchy. Perhaps some building on Charles’s efforts at apologizing for some of the British monarchy’s colonial sins. And definitely a smaller scale operation for a couple of generations. Just the direct line of succession. Less visibility, fewer engagements, but every appearance will be high profile. Charlotte and Louis will go on to do normal-ish things, George will continue what Williams starts. Charles will be a short lived King who will get the ball rolling. It’ll all be in keeping with Britain’s reduced standing in global stakes. Today’s monarchy reflects its post-war reputation. That’s long diminished and nowadays really only embodies by the queen herself. Those days are over.

History will say Andrew brought it on but really it started with Charles and Diana and letting the cameras in. The bubble burst, and it became impossible to justify the rabid hypocrisy of the whole lot of them. World affairs haven’t helped the BRF.

Andrew is no better or worse than any of them, for the self-belief and entitlement. They all believe they are better than the Queen’s subjects, and they all know that the law doesn’t apply to them as it does to us (because it literally doesn’t). Andrew’s best bet is to say nothing, do nothing, until he dies. It’s the best he can do for his daughters (who I believe are 100% as entitled as their father, and also believe in their superiority over us plebs; they’re chips off the old block). They’re grubby, grabby people who can’t afford the lifestyle they think they deserve for all their deprivations of a “normal life” (little do they know). They’re a joke, the whole lot of them.

Blossomtoes · 03/01/2022 14:17

@foreverlove

Not to detract from PA but I'm interested to see who else will be outed, especially if GM speaks or her 'little black book' is brought into speculation. Some big names there...
If Maxwell was going to speak out she’d have done it by now in her defence. I’m quite shocked at her apparent submissiveness. She seems to be willingly taking the rap even though it means she’ll end her days in prison. I find her behaviour quite bizarre.
Roussette · 03/01/2022 14:18

@givethatbabyaname

Great interesting post

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