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Anyone watch Succession

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IrishMel · 29/09/2021 22:25

Who is your favourite characters in Succession. I thought this was one of the best shows I have seen in ages, can't wait for new season which will be out soon. Lots of great characters in it. Greg, Tom, Roman. Love to hear your take on it..

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YouGotThisKeepGoing · 14/12/2021 09:38

I think he liked her enough that if she’d stayed a political consultant or had been content to boost his career in the firm more than his own, he would have made a workable marriage from it.

For someone who was offended by the thought of a hall pass on his stag do/an open marriage, he swallowed his load quick enough.

But he did know he would be able to manipulate Shiv by making her think he was hurt by it. That he could withdraw a bit of attention and feel powerful at how much she really depended on him. He knows she is more enmeshed with him than she lets on, that she uses a lot of bluster to hide a hurt little Daddy’s girl inside.

He knows she needs to feel in control and like she doesn’t need him. She’s not just a Daddy’s girl but her father’s daughter. She likes it when she kicks the puppy and he comes back.

He’s been talking about “what do we like for me?” and the business plan from the start.

But a betrayal was always on the cards if Shiv set her own eyes on the prize rather than supported him. How and when he would betray her was shaped in circumstance but rooted in his character and intentions.

He only put up with the level of shit he did because he was playing the long game. The real Tom is the person who said to Kendall he’d never seen Logan get fucked. We also see flashes of him with Greg.

I also think Logan sees himself in the slab of gravlax in a way he doesn’t in his own children. The ability to be a killer, the ability to live for nothing but the business win. It’s like being a warrior or a fighter.

I think that if one or all of his children was genuinely able to deliver a killer blow to him, to really outmanoeuvre him he’d be incredibly proud, and think they were worthy, finally have some respect for them.

But the proof of the pudding is in the eating, they have to do it, not just be judged able to do it. I think Kendall has known that for a while and it’s why he keeps going for the jugular. Because somehow he knows it it his best shot at making Daddy love/respect him. But he’s doing it for the love, not for the thrill of the kill, and so he doesn’t succeed.

But as it is, Logan is kind of embarrassed by their inability to be as sharp, instinctive and ruthless as he is.

OrtolanVeil · 14/12/2021 09:45

@JanisMoplin

Of course Tom got his own back. At last..Go Tom! Shiv's face when she realised...

Caroline is a real piece of work. Logan must have had to really throw money at her for her to betray her children. Bet Shiv feels sorry about her " What the hell, bitch? " wedding speech though.

The acting by Jeremy and Kieran in the scene where he confesses to killing the waiter was just sublime.. So moving and funny.

Logan must have had to really throw money at her for her to betray her children.

God, no, i didn't think that at all. She needs Logan for whatever he can do re her not-as-posh-as- he'd-like new husband. She's likely falling over herself to give Logan the only thing she has that he wants. (The terms of the divorce requiring the supermajority thing).

Logan is vile to all of them but he really can't stand Shiv, can he?

MarshaBradyo · 14/12/2021 09:46

I also thought Connor was great when he said no I’m the eldest

Which is true but he gets forgotten

idiotfacelicker · 14/12/2021 09:46

Agree. Caroline would throw her kids under the bus for a packet of peanuts!

We spent the first season thinking Logan fucked up his kids, and then we met the mum!

ScreamingMeMe · 14/12/2021 09:54

@Justheretoaskaquestion91

I need to rewatch season to see what else he might be behind as Shiv has been seriously on the outs
Hmmmmn...
MarshaBradyo · 14/12/2021 09:58

Tbf the idea that they could run a huge company as they are, just by being the children is nuts.

They are not good at it, they’ve just coasted

And have problems on top

MarshaBradyo · 14/12/2021 10:13

I mean I know it was whole premise of show and brilliant

But in that room as a three they couldn’t nearly match Logan

LiterallyKnowsBest · 14/12/2021 10:19

In truth, with all the millions of underlings they each have burrowing into legal niceties every day, they would all have known the terms of the super-majority divorce clause already.

And they would have known it depended on their two ghastly parents not shafting them. They should, years ago, have found a way to make it irreversible.

So … Fantastic tension but it was a little far-fetched.

Hugsgalore · 14/12/2021 10:21

I don't think Shiv is pregnant. I think the clutching her stomach is because she is sick because she fucked up by telling him thinking he would always be on her side even though she treats him terribly. She is probably also wondering what else he has done and what else has she told him.

It is a fantastic series. I will have to definitely re watch all episodes.

sunshineclouds24 · 14/12/2021 10:27

Reading other social media, Brian Cox was told before the start of filming that Tom would betray his wife (but the sibling actors weren't told) ( it's an interview with Hollywoodreporter) and in the second episode of series 3 when the doughnuts arrive the siblings are surprised that Logan knows they are together and that is Tom's first indication of leaking to Logan.

There is a whole detail about the waiters putting the rubbish out at the wedding that reflects Shiv's wedding and Kendall and the waiter too.

idiotfacelicker · 14/12/2021 10:37

I def need to rewatch season 3 (possibly the whole thing).

valerianroot · 14/12/2021 10:41

Just chipping in here as watched the finale too. It was so brilliant, Kieran Culkin nearly had me in tears in the final scenes. The Tom twist was brilliant. Can't wait for series 3.

valerianroot · 14/12/2021 10:42

@sunshineclouds24

Reading other social media, Brian Cox was told before the start of filming that Tom would betray his wife (but the sibling actors weren't told) ( it's an interview with Hollywoodreporter) and in the second episode of series 3 when the doughnuts arrive the siblings are surprised that Logan knows they are together and that is Tom's first indication of leaking to Logan.

There is a whole detail about the waiters putting the rubbish out at the wedding that reflects Shiv's wedding and Kendall and the waiter too.

I forgot about the donuts and now that makes perfect sense.
AvonCallingBarksdale · 14/12/2021 10:48

OMFG Shock

AvonCallingBarksdale · 14/12/2021 10:49

I’ve found some of this series a bit slow but last night absolutely surpassed anything. Incredible acting, scenery, all of it.

user1471543094 · 14/12/2021 11:08

I like the irony that Shiv would probably be much more keen on the Tom that bullies Greg/makes a ruthless play like he did in the last ep that the wet blanket he presents himself as to her.

scooterbear · 14/12/2021 11:12

Tom! Amazing!
Is it wrong that I really fancy Roman?

user1471543094 · 14/12/2021 11:22

I love Roman. I know he is hideous but he is so funny. And to see him crumble in front of his daddy was really touching.

And his face when he was caught sending the dick pic won the series for me. Unreal acting!

MarshaBradyo · 14/12/2021 11:39

Logan, Roman and Tom steal it for me

So good

LiterallyKnowsBest · 14/12/2021 11:39

How could anyone not adore someone as beautiful, quick witted and hilarious as Roman?

Again, I felt yesterday that it was highly unlikely he would actually have left his father and GoJo guy to chat without him - he could surely see what was happening. But perhaps until the end of the episode he still had a blind spot where Logan was concerned.

Heartbreaking to see him pleading with Gerri. And astonishing that the writers and actors could make me feel heartbroken for (worst interpretation) a billionaire sex pest who only weeks ago was backing a fascist as contender for the presidency.

idiotfacelicker · 14/12/2021 11:44

@user1471543094

I love Roman. I know he is hideous but he is so funny. And to see him crumble in front of his daddy was really touching.

And his face when he was caught sending the dick pic won the series for me. Unreal acting!

This! His reaction. To the dick pic was incredible

Anyone watch Succession
MarshaBradyo · 14/12/2021 11:47

I’ve actually restarted and it’s interesting how superficial Roman is compared to his standing in the show at the end

Plus they all seem to like each other (comparatively)

ihavespoken · 14/12/2021 12:22

Tom!!!!

I reckon Shiv tipped him over the edge when she made the mean toast to her mum - hoping her marriage would be as fulfilling and wonderful as hers and Tom's or something similar. I thought this was clearly sarcastic but only Tom would know that, and be hurt again.

Flipping amazing! I can't wait for S4

Crackingowlsanctuary · 14/12/2021 13:31

@ihavespoken

Tom!!!!

I reckon Shiv tipped him over the edge when she made the mean toast to her mum - hoping her marriage would be as fulfilling and wonderful as hers and Tom's or something similar. I thought this was clearly sarcastic but only Tom would know that, and be hurt again.

Flipping amazing! I can't wait for S4

Roman laughed at this too. I think it actually makes it more humiliating for Tom that everyone does know that she doesn’t love him (and he knows that Sad) and she’s just joking about it out loud

I can’t get over how well the episode built up, especially from the car park scene with Kendall crying up until the end. They built the tension just right all the way through to the grand peak finale, shock and realisation that Tom had betrayed Shiv… I literally gasped out loud!

Loved his chat with Greg beforehand…. People on twitter were sharing pics of the clips in the earlier episode where Tom told Greg the story of Nero and Sporus (about Nero pushing his wife down the stairs, castrating Sporus and marrying him instead 😬)… he says to Greg in the last episode in the garden “will you be my Sporus?”…. Everyone is saying that Tom is Logan’s ‘Greg’.

How did we not see what was about to happen?! 🤯

And Roman…. Loved in the earlier scene when him and Logan were talking to big tech guy (cant remember his name?!)… the way they placed Roman on the separate chair slightly down the hill and the camera angles made him appear so small and beneath them both… his little boy-ish whimper “Dad?” When tech guys suggests taking over…

LiterallyKnowsBest · 14/12/2021 13:44

www.vulture.com/article/succession-season-3-finale-foreshadowed.html

Worth a read!