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The Handmaid's Tale Vol 2

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PacificDogwod · 20/06/2017 16:22

I go to work and this is what happens: the previous thread fills up when I have pertinent things to say! ShockWink

Hope nobody minds, I've taken the opportunity to start a new one before the Offspring demand food and the likes...

One of the masterful strikes of strategic genius of the new regime is the division and envy between everybody and everybody: men vs women, women in different roles vs other women, high ranking vs low ranking.
No solidarity is allowed - even the partnered Handmaids were half companion and have guard. Never knowing who might be an Eye and who to trust must be soul destroying.

I think Serena is quite a tragic figure - in the book and in the TV series. She must feel so betrayed by the ideals she fought for and that she is now kind of forced to uphold because otherwise what would her life be?? Admitting that she supporting a world view that while giving her some kind of social status by dint of her husband's role, considers her without value as she cannot have children would render everything she stands for invalid, and herself by extension.

The author who wrote a book about women being able to electrocute men by touch thereby causing a power change over (sorry, I cannot remember either name Blush) was talking on Radio Scotland today. She said the idea for her book came from when she wondered why so many mechanisms in society seem to go back to the fact that 'more men can throw a woman across a room than the other way around'. It's a depressing thought that physical strength underpins so much.

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oneplus2is3 · 02/07/2017 21:52

In the book Commanders wives wear blue (not sure about the greenish dress she was wearing for dinner- green is the Marthas' colour)

therootoftheroot · 02/07/2017 21:59

it has deviated so far from the book as to be ridiculous
really

TheWitchAndTrevor · 02/07/2017 22:01

I thought the wives dresses are blue?

TheWitchAndTrevor · 02/07/2017 22:02

They look blue to me

illegitimateMortificadospawn · 02/07/2017 22:07

it has deviated so far from the book as to be ridiculous
really

Agree. What's the phrase? IMO it has "jumped the shark" this week.

ScrumpyBetty · 02/07/2017 22:11

I was just about to jump on to the thread to say, 'Really?' Hmm That does not happen in the book! But I see I've been beaten to it!

Orlantina · 02/07/2017 22:11

I haven't read the book so can't comment on that.

But that scene with the children was heartbreaking.

And so much of this stuff is happening now. I wonder how many people in the world would say to an ambassador (if they knew that no one else would ever find out) please help us, we're human beings.

StorminaBcup · 02/07/2017 22:12

I'm so confused. When Offred said he 'puts his dick up her ass' is that literally? Is he not even trying to get her pregnant?

Also, the ambassadors assistant is from Mexico. I thought June and Luke were fleeing to Canada? How does he know her husband?

And why did Offred speak so freely to the Mexican ambassador?

AdalindSchade · 02/07/2017 22:13

Noooo she was saying that Nick doesn't get raped every month, the commander doesn't say a verse of scripture and put his dick up Nick's ass.

Orlantina · 02/07/2017 22:14

And why did Offred speak so freely to the Mexican ambassador

I think she didn't think she was being watched. And she realised that she was going to be traded. Or the 'rape kids' were...

HeadingToBed · 02/07/2017 22:14

I thought Offred said something along the lines of 'he doesn't come in here and put a dick in your ass' to Nick.

7Days · 02/07/2017 22:15

I don't care that it has deviated from the book. It has kept to the spirit of it. And I suppose tv needs more if a narrative arc than the book which was more of a remembrance with an ambigous ending.

OytheBumbler · 02/07/2017 22:15

I've given up comparing it to the book and just accepting it's only based on the book.

Orlantina · 02/07/2017 22:15

Followed by some adverts telling women what foundation to wear and that they have to shave their legs...

DidgeDoolittle · 02/07/2017 22:15

Does anyone know what the music was at the end?

illegitimateMortificadospawn · 02/07/2017 22:15

I'm so confused. When Offred said he 'puts his dick up her ass' is that literally? Is he not even trying to get her pregnant?

Nick doesn't have a vagina. Wink

In the book the sense of creeping paranoia and isolation is overpowering. BookOffred would never have taken such a huge risk, as she is compelled to stay alive at all costs by the faint hope she could be reunited with her daughter.

7Days · 02/07/2017 22:16

What did the commander say after the kids in his office? June's face fell

HeadingToBed · 02/07/2017 22:16

And why did Offred speak so freely to the Mexican ambassador

I think she had tortured herself over saying she was 'happy' to the Ambassador earlier, she had to say something.

7Days · 02/07/2017 22:16

Kiss, that should say

illegitimateMortificadospawn · 02/07/2017 22:19

Try this link for the music, but be careful as the tune listings are quite detailed & may be spoilerish.

TheWitchAndTrevor · 02/07/2017 22:20

It's doesn't matter that it's deviated, it's does the same job as the book, it's emotive thought provoking and so well done.

The fact Margaret Attwood had a hand in it, gives it the thumb' s up.

7Days · 02/07/2017 22:20

I am reminded about the 100 million girls missing in Asia, due to cultural preferences for sons. Read - on here, i think- that this imbalance would cause women to be treated better, and highly valued. And someine else retorted Highly valued, yes. But as commodities.

Orlantina · 02/07/2017 22:22

It was interesting to see that Channel 4 had a helpline number up afterwards.

Orlantina · 02/07/2017 22:23

Being afraid to discuss the reality of a situation because someone with power is near you.

Polly99 · 02/07/2017 22:24

Didge - sugar in my bowl by Nina Simone I think.

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