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The Handmaid's Tale Vol 2

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PacificDogwod · 20/06/2017 16:22

I go to work and this is what happens: the previous thread fills up when I have pertinent things to say! ShockWink

Hope nobody minds, I've taken the opportunity to start a new one before the Offspring demand food and the likes...

One of the masterful strikes of strategic genius of the new regime is the division and envy between everybody and everybody: men vs women, women in different roles vs other women, high ranking vs low ranking.
No solidarity is allowed - even the partnered Handmaids were half companion and have guard. Never knowing who might be an Eye and who to trust must be soul destroying.

I think Serena is quite a tragic figure - in the book and in the TV series. She must feel so betrayed by the ideals she fought for and that she is now kind of forced to uphold because otherwise what would her life be?? Admitting that she supporting a world view that while giving her some kind of social status by dint of her husband's role, considers her without value as she cannot have children would render everything she stands for invalid, and herself by extension.

The author who wrote a book about women being able to electrocute men by touch thereby causing a power change over (sorry, I cannot remember either name Blush) was talking on Radio Scotland today. She said the idea for her book came from when she wondered why so many mechanisms in society seem to go back to the fact that 'more men can throw a woman across a room than the other way around'. It's a depressing thought that physical strength underpins so much.

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Ontheboardwalk · 02/07/2017 22:27

I was all 'this isn't what happened in the book' to start off with but I'm really liking it now. I'm thinking Game Of Thrones move from the book.

The book and certain parts 'mayday' really resonated with me at the time I read it and still do. They've changed in the show obviously but I like it.

Kinda like a new journey

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 02/07/2017 22:28

Dd wants to know where the next generation of handmaids is meant to come from, since it surely won't be the daughters of the rich and powerful.

Orlantina · 02/07/2017 22:29

From the Guardian

"Roll titles to the sound of He’s Alive by Adam Taylor. Nice literalism"

Orlantina · 02/07/2017 22:30

since it surely won't be the daughters of the rich and powerful

I suppose some of the children will be picked as handmaidens. Born into it, educated that way and not knowing any different.

AdalindSchade · 02/07/2017 22:31

The children of handmaids raised by the wives won't be handmaids, they will be wives. If they are fertile they will have children with their husbands.

Orlantina · 02/07/2017 22:34

I bet they won't be able to control their fertility if they can have children but don't want children. Even if they are wives.

illegitimateMortificadospawn · 02/07/2017 22:34

Are the Handmaids a temporary solution for the elite? Once they have fertile children, they'll marry them off to one another & keep the baby-making between wives & commanders.

illegitimateMortificadospawn · 02/07/2017 22:34

Damn my slow typing...

TeaStory · 02/07/2017 22:36

But "kiss me like you mean it" was in the book...

AdalindSchade · 02/07/2017 22:37

We don't know what is causing the infertility so no idea what will happen in the future re fertility and handmaids.

Orlantina · 02/07/2017 22:38

But you're going to need people to do the crap jobs. People get old. The children of the elite won't want to do the crap jobs. The wives won't be allowed to work. They have to sit at home and have babies.

illegitimateMortificadospawn · 02/07/2017 22:39

But "kiss me like you mean it" was in the book...

Damn. I only finished re-reading it just before C4 started screening it. It is still sexed up though.

CeeBeeBee · 02/07/2017 22:51

The sexual encounters are all mentioned in the book, including Luke and June's affair. The only one that I don't remember being in the book is Serena Joy's and the commander's. I think it was good to see things from her perspective.

The book is only 300ish pages long and a lot of it has already been shown on television, so I think it will be interesting to see what else they'll do with this adaptation.

TizzyDongue · 02/07/2017 22:52

What's going on in the colonies? Maybe they can draft in serfs from there for the grunt work

Clawdy · 02/07/2017 22:55

Why was the horrible Aunt being so kind to the one-eyed Handmaid?

Ontheboardwalk · 02/07/2017 22:59

Not sure about them getting the Handmaid's to wash and be splattered by the blood on the wall though ..

NotSuchASmugMarriedNow1 · 02/07/2017 22:59

It's a tactic used by abusers. They're not nasty all the time.

PacificDogwod · 02/07/2017 23:00

OMG, the children being brought in and the Handmaids reaction was just heartbreaking ShockSad

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PacificDogwod · 02/07/2017 23:02

I think the Aunt is a True Believer and did think it was unfair that the 'damaged' (by them!) Handmaids were not allowed in to the reception and was therefor helping Janine to calmly leave. No doubt, there would have been unpleasant consequences for the Aunt if Janine had cause a fuzz, also.

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WellWhoKnew · 02/07/2017 23:03

I think them washing the walls was a subliminal threat to coerce them to behave properly at the party.

Orlantina · 02/07/2017 23:03

I just had a sharp intake of breath when the children came in. Heartbreaking.

colouringinagain · 02/07/2017 23:13

Another gruelling but compelling watch Sad

EvilTwins · 02/07/2017 23:13

I don't really mind that it deviates from the book. I think it has to. When she wrote the book, things were current that aren't any more. There are 30 years' worth of new material to make use of - having Emily as a gay character, the FGM, the way it looks, the existence of the internet, mobile phones in the flash backs & so on. it makes it all the more shocking. I think it would have had less impact if it looked like a period piece. Luke was born in 1980 (they told us tonight) It makes it now, or in the very near future.

PacificDogwod · 02/07/2017 23:16

"My country is already dead"
Too right Sad

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MaryPoppinsPenguins · 02/07/2017 23:17

That was heartbreaking to watch.

Wouldn't the next generation of Handmaids be the daughters of the current Handmaids that had been removed and the daughters of econowives?