Why did the "Lisa Johnson One to Many" thread get deleted?

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I've seen the deletion message but don't understand why the comments that broke talk guidelines couldn't have been deleted and the rest of the thread left to stand.

Lisa Johnson claims that she had it removed because she put pressure on MN to do so.

Can anyone from MNHQ clarify please?

I did not say the PP was a plant. I posited a translation.

Why find my only other very personal post (that I'm not asking to be deleted due to this) and ask me what attracted me to this one?

Because I don't like seeing multiple people gang up on one individual regardless of the circumstances.
I find it wrong.

Coming in and posting with language such as "mob mentality," "obsessing" and "gunning for" isn't the best way to get welcomed with open arms.

Who is ganging up on whom? If you mean we're ganging up on you, you came in with a very accusatory tone. Are we not supposed to reply?

There's a point where it does become bullying no matter what you think of Lisa she's a human being who does not deserve to have a group of strangers gunning for her because of one incident

Nobody's gunning for LJ.
We're just discussing her OTM course.

Or did you mean we're ganging up on Lisa? If so you are making it personal. It's not about Lisa herself it's about her business and the way we feel she conducts it and her course.

It looks like OTM used to be called Passion for Passive. According to Lisa she was going to start selling it at "nearer to £10k". Does anybody know if that happened?

There are about five of us on this thread who are looking into details that are all readily available online. Lisa Johnson is a self-declared multi-million earning Global Business Strategist who is threatening us all with libel.

Lisa Johnson also conducts interviews with success stories from her One To Many course. We decided to see how many of these people were also coaches, and who were also affiliates of Lisa Johnson's course.

These are just facts.

Supporters of Lisa have tried to shut this conversation down.

Or, another viewpoint, came on to give an opposite view point but were 'shouted down', called 'a**e- lickers' and 'flying monkeys' and bullied off the thread because they dared to have an opposing view?

She threatened me with libel. You can read my posts and see they are not.

When someone threatens me with libel I am going to gather everything I can to defend myself in court.

She has threatened several of us and we are working together to prepare for her taking us to court. That's not ganging up in some sort of bullying means girls way. That's just what you need to do when someone says they are going to sue you. You need evidence.

If she wants to confirm to mnhq that she does not intend to sue me then it's all good as far as I'm concerned, I'll apologise for hurting her feelings with my opinions on how a person who runs a business needs to separate their personal feelings from their business operations and how a business ought to conduct itself and how the general public views businesses based on their reactions to criticisms, whether people will choose a business or not based on what they see and how a business can take even negative publicity and turn it into positive publicity, I'll ask for my posts to be deleted and I'll happily not comment on her business again but unless that happens I have no choice but gather everything I possibly can in order to present my defence in court.

I do not believe I said anything libelous and my posts are right here. Anyone can search them. I wasn't on the first thread but I have been sent copies that I can use in my defence.

It's not ganging up on someone to do what you have to do when they have threatened to sue you.

I do not believe that anyone was bullied.

Unless you mean the threat to many of us of court proceedings for alleged libel?

It would be a great shame if this thread was deleted.

I'll just leave it at that.

Any time I’ve tried to put forward my experience as someone who has actual lived experience of attending some of the courses run by That Strategy Co/Lisa Johnson, no one has been interested in my experience. The same people have just chosen to continue to ‘surmise’. I’ve reported unpleasant and incorrect posts and MN has removed them.

I would have been interested in a personal way, before Lisa's behaviour towards me meant that I decided I wouldn't touch anything she's involved with, with a ten foot bargepole.

However, I'm interested in an academic way. So I would really love to hear what the course brought to your business, what you learned, how it has benefited your business and how much profit you now make compared to before the course, and how much you attribute any increase to using the things you learned on the course. Can you also say what kind of business you are in? And whether you are in any way an affiliate of Lisa or gain any benefit from promoting her course?

I'm very interested to hear all of that, as I've not so far been able to get that kind of granular detail from anyone and it's why I started the original thread.

As I've repeatedly said, I don't have anything against the course, I never thought it was pointless or I wouldn't have bought it, I just thought it was really odd there were no reviews out there that are unbiased, so if you are bringing that then this is a great place for it to be.

I don't condone any name calling and I didn't like the name calling in the first thread. I didn't call anyone names and I'm sorry if you were called names. I agree that it's 100% not OK.

By the same token I assume that you think that Lisa calling people names is also not OK?

What is the "opposite view"? We are dealing with facts on this thread.

Just posting this here again. The last two times I've posted screenshots someone has come on defending Lisa. If I was a suspicious person I'd think it was deliberate to push the screenshot down a few pages 😉
Just wondering (gathering info as part of the libel defence and in the wider world talking about sales tactics) if anyone knows if what Lisa said in the post is true? That Passion for Passive (which turned into OTM according to screenshots that I have) was ever sold at "nearer to £10k" as Lisa posted.

So I wonder what the new course was called in 2020? The one that was going to be nearer £10,000 for the year?

And I wonder what the course actually cost. Near to £10,000? How near?

I know she says she made a ton of money doing a course during Covid. So that would be 2020. Will look it up. I don't recall it being anywhere near £10,000 per person.

Facts! These are Facts! Will come back with sources soon.

At the risk of repeating myself, as I have already put most of this information into previous posts.

I have been in business for over 25 years. I run a number of businesses - a professional services business in the legal sector and I also sell bespoke high end products. These businesses are unrelated.

I have done two courses run by Lisa - One to Many and the Business Strategist course. I found both courses extremely useful.

I wanted to understand more about the online space, how to build an audience, how to be seen as the go-to person/expert in my field (whilst I am an expert/leading authority in my field of expertise, in a crowded space it’s often difficult to become visible, and I knew the online space would help with that).

I found the knowledge I gained from both courses extremely useful. I put most of what I learned into practice. I’m a firm believer in implementation. There are many ‘serial course buyers’ in the world - just attending a course won’t change anything. You need to implement the learnings in real life.

I found Lisa to be knowledgeable, authentic and extremely generous with the information she shared throughout. There was never a fixed end time to sessions. She stayed on all sessions for as long as people were there asking questions. She answered all questions or diverted to one of her team, if she felt they were better placed to answer.

She was available daily in the dedicated Facebook groups set up for the courses, to answer questions, as were her team.

In One to Many we also had accountability groups. These were smaller groups with a ‘leader’ who had previously done the One to Many course. I found this very useful. We had a huge amount assistance with the technology and much of this was actually ‘done for us’ by a team of people Lisa had employed to deliver this piece.

My businesses have benefited hugely from what I learned. And I, personally, have benefited. I have raised my personal profile and business profile. In turn, this has lead to an increase in clients, revenue and profits in both of my businesses. It’s always difficult to attribute exactly how much something like this has directly impacted your bottom line. My profit across both businesses has increase by 30%.

One of the biggest benefits I gained by doing both courses is the people I met, and the collaborations I’ve ended up being involved with.

I am not an affiliate and do not benefit in any way.

That does sound good @BeMorePositive . It is clear that you were already a business person, and that you have gained value from the courses and access you paid for. A 30% raise in profit is not to be sniffed at.

What some of us are wondering is how Lisa's One To Many course can benefit people who are not in business. What kind of "passive income" is being dangled in front of them. And how being a "Global Business Strategist" differs from being a coach.

I don't like any name calling. Seems the CEO of Mumsnet is ok with it though seeing as she called Mumsnet users 'deranged'.