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Dear black people of mumsnet

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PatricksRum · 10/09/2020 17:24

Ideas for a black section on mumsnet.

Should we have separate sections i.e black hair and beauty, black parenting, black cooking or a general black section?

Link to previous

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/4018383-black-section-on-mn

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wixx · 13/09/2020 01:18

@needaMNnamegenerator

Don't really get your point. I'm not racist at all, I actually just assume everyone is equal these days. What's the actual problem? I just assumed creating separate areas was assisting division

PersephonePromotesEquanimity · 13/09/2020 01:19

my extremely white middle England culture and upbringing has no reference to black culture/people in any way,

But - I have just told you that any reference to one, monolithic "black culture" is, at best, mistaken.

So why repeat the phrase?

I too had a middle England upbringing.

EchoCardioGran · 13/09/2020 01:19

Quaagars I doubt it was meant for you. I took it as a reference to the derailers talking about people who are black as they and their culture which comes across as very derogatory and racist in tone. imo

PatricksRum · 13/09/2020 01:19

[quote wixx]@needaMNnamegenerator

Don't really get your point. I'm not racist at all, I actually just assume everyone is equal these days. What's the actual problem? I just assumed creating separate areas was assisting division [/quote]
You've assumed wrong. We're not equal and we don't have equal opportunities.

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EchoCardioGran · 13/09/2020 01:20

or maybe I'm wrong, Blush cross posted

PatricksRum · 13/09/2020 01:22

@Bl3ss3dm0m

Some of you seem to be deliberately trying to turn things I have said into bigoted, racist, idiotic questions and statements, and if that makes you feel better about yourselves, then go ahead, knock yourselves out. I asked a genuine question because I am not racist, although I am an "ist" which I have not tried to hide on other posts. I am a culturist, although not a blind believer that everyone who comes from that culture must all be bad, but I am enough of one to wish that I didn't feel the need to be one. However, any individual I meet, whatever their culture, is always met as an equal, what happens after that of course will be the same as everyone else who is not a saint; I will form opinions of them, and they will inform opinions of me, as many of you have done with me, on scant real evidence of my RL - it is just what we humans do. Back to the subject here. As I am not a racist, skin colour, country of origin, religion, gender, sexual preferences (apart from paedophiles) are unimportant to me, but I genuinely didn't want, in my ignorance (and yes of course I am ignorant about many things) to inadvertently hurt anyones feelings. This seems to make me a bad person on MN, but hey ho, I have broad shoulders, and a thick skin, so I won't collapse from the injustice of it all. Of course I already know not to use words like the "n" word, but then I never would, I don't believe in hurling disgusting abuse at people. However, I am beginning to realise that being reasonable and not wanting to be rude to other people is frowned on by way too many people on Mum's Net, so whilst on here I will try to learn who those people are, and just ignore them. I did not join this particular "discussion" because I wanted anyone to teach me how to not be racist, as I said previously I am comfortable in the fact that I am not racist; I said what I said because I was genuinely worried that a section just for black people would be divisive, and what PatricksRum was saying at the beginning of this post, and on a previous one, sounded like no white, or other than black Bame community members would be welcomed, or even allowed. That did sound very divisive, and I was by no means the only other person here to think so. However the OP, and others have implied that that view is ridiculous, that we are all welcome, but we just mustn't speak, because if we are not black we have nothing of any interest to say, help, or add to Black MNetters, so that is fine, I am glad that you will have the section you want, and that it won't hinder in any way, any of us at MN, or indeed any and all human beings, from realising that when we are born we are all equal, and we should strive to stay so.
I can't believe you've come to a thread about black perspectives and written a life story.

Christ.

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needaMNnamegenerator · 13/09/2020 01:22

The problem, wixxx, is that this thread is a PLANNING MEETING for the new MN Black area.

You are barging into a planning meeting and going on about stuff that's totally irrelevant. You are demonstrating loud and clear that you have no insight as to why you're doing that on this thread, yet didn't do this on other thread.

NO BODY IS ASKING IF THEY SHOULD DO IT or for your opinion.

Anyway, this is derailing now. If you'd like to continue this discussion, why not PM me and we can chat somewhere that's not bang in the middle of someone's planning meeting.

wixx · 13/09/2020 01:22

Also I have never heard of cracnet or Scotsnet before so have no clue why you think I was being hostile at all. Maybe the problem lies with people who think everyone is against them and wants to cause an issue, when they don't

PatricksRum · 13/09/2020 01:23

Kind of confused about what's going on with the culture discussions.
Maybe I've missed something?

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PatricksRum · 13/09/2020 01:23

@EchoCardioGran

Blimey, it's like Groundhog day on here. Round and round and round. Stick with discussing your planning ideas Patrick and friends, ignore the derailers. Most are just trying to wear you down. All the best to you, don't give up your seat on the bus! Keep organising! x
Thank you echo
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wixx · 13/09/2020 01:27

Well I apologise I honestly never meant to upset anyone.... would love to be apart of the black area so maybe I can learn more

Quaagars · 13/09/2020 01:32

Kind of confused about what's going on with the culture discussions.
Maybe I've missed something?

Me too, I did use the phrase their culture and then it was brought up as appalling so apologised if so and at me as didn't mean anything by it, just meant their culture/way of life/experiences as in something I know nothing about apart from what I've read

Quaagars I doubt it was meant for you

Ah, just seen this, hope not

@wixx
Also I have never heard of cracnet or Scotsnet before so have no clue why you think I was being hostile at all
Fair enough, maybe you haven't, but your comment did come across as do they need the board, all posts go on main boards, all matter equal!
Just saying do Craicsnet or Scotsnet get this level of dissent and musing aloud if not why not

Chouxalacreme · 13/09/2020 01:33

Ummm not read all of the thread

But I was thinking “media” might be an interesting topic for the board, should it go ahead . Which would be really good .

PatricksRum · 13/09/2020 01:36

Me too, I did use the phrase their culture and then it was brought up as appalling so apologised if so and at me as didn't mean anything by it, just meant their culture/way of life/experiences as in something I know nothing about apart from what I've read.

Ah perhaps pp thought you were on the other side Grin
I can't see the comment were you wrote that but I'm not offended either way, perhaps miscommunication.

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EchoCardioGran · 13/09/2020 01:37

@wixx

Well I apologise I honestly never meant to upset anyone.... would love to be apart of the black area so maybe I can learn more
Why not start a thread of your own and ask what you want to know?

All these people demanding to be educated on " black issues" never seem to have got it together to start their own thread.
Never seen:
Hey what's rice and peas? Do I just stick a tin of marrowfats in a boil in the bag rice or what?
Why is there a Black History month? What's that all about?
What is "The Talk"?

Know what I mean?Smile Take the initiative!
Try a thread for yourself if you are really interested about something.
This is supposed to be a planning thread for black mumsnetters.

PatricksRum · 13/09/2020 01:37

@Chouxalacreme

Ummm not read all of the thread

But I was thinking “media” might be an interesting topic for the board, should it go ahead . Which would be really good .

Haven't had this suggestion before.

When you say media can you clarify?

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PersephonePromotesEquanimity · 13/09/2020 01:37

For the third time.

There is no one, single, monolithic "black culture".

If there is to be a new board it would be good for interested observers to understand that from the beginning. I don't think this is a difficult point to absorb.

PatricksRum · 13/09/2020 01:38

Hey what's rice and peas? Do I just stick a tin of marrowfats in a boil in the bag rice or what?

Howling

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EchoCardioGran · 13/09/2020 01:42
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Quaagars · 13/09/2020 01:46

Hey what's rice and peas? Do I just stick a tin of marrowfats in a boil in the bag rice or what?

WTF, how did I miss that?!
Actually did a lol Grin
Might do for me tea here tomorrow, bag of Uncle Bens and some tinned peas lol (JOKE before anyone comes after me haha)

Quaagars · 13/09/2020 01:51

I didn't realise black people wanted to stay apart and have their own section

They don't though? Where have they said they said they wanted to stay apart? Just have a section just for themselves but still be able to post oh the main boards too just like Scotsnet for Scottish people etc
Can still post everywhere else

wixx · 13/09/2020 01:55

I think it should start 2 sections. Black beauty, hair make up clothes etc. Then black life, family kids, food, support 🤗

PatricksRum · 13/09/2020 01:58

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PatricksRum · 13/09/2020 01:59

@Quaagars

Hey what's rice and peas? Do I just stick a tin of marrowfats in a boil in the bag rice or what?

WTF, how did I miss that?!
Actually did a lol Grin
Might do for me tea here tomorrow, bag of Uncle Bens and some tinned peas lol (JOKE before anyone comes after me haha)

GrinGrinGrin

I need to post this as I still crack up at it

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