should we address the casual antisemitism on MN?

[thedevilinmyshoes]

I rarely venture beyond my narrow range of interests on MN these days so I don't know if it happens a lot, or if a similar level of hatred is extended to other groups, but what I saw tonight was sinister (particularly against the current backdrop of a surge in antisemitic crime in UK). I wondered if we had an agreed definition of what constitutes antisemitism or if people feel the issue is covered and handled well enough within the existing guidelines.

were the antisemitic comments allowed to stand?

The thread has/is being deleted

OP, could you be clearer. Not sure how we can comment if you don't examples.

Generally speaking I feel that any discrimination is dealt with quickly here by other posters or MN.

I've not seen anti Semitism. I have seen (understandably) anti Israeli comment - that's not the same.

Yes, cutting a babies foreskin for no medical reason is mutilation. Doing it without pain relief is child abuse.

That's nothing to do with being anti Semitic either.

I'm not aware of what the term is either, so I wouldn't know if I'd seen it.

Tbh I've never seen an openly racist comment stay on the forum for any length of time. Most are reported and deleted sharpish.

I honestly cannot recall seeing anything I would define as anti-Semitic on MN.

I would echo the poster who says if you see it, report it.

Sorry. Cross posted. I have never seen anything anti-Semitic here so would presume if it exists it's being dealt with.

I have seen and reported anti-semitic stuff on here. It was deleted in a flash. That's the mechanism for getting rid of anything racist, really.

I haven't seen it either. I have seen anti-circumcision posts which I broadly agree with. I don't think being against male genital mutilation is anti-Semitic, any more than being against female genital mutilation makes me any other kind of racist. I would be against all these forms of genital mutilation no matter who was practising them and why.

Totally don't feel being anti-circumcision is automatically anti-semitic, but have just this evening had a very heated discussion with someone close to me about this very subject- that casual anti-semitism is just not on, and from what I gather from said person, it's rife. Have to admit to being a bit shocked at how casual many of the references actually are (although must qualify haven't seen this on MN). OP might have something here, but it's apparently a wider reaching issue than just the narrow view of circumcision.

Off to try to educate myself a big more now...

Why is it anti Semitic to disagree with a Jewish practice? Ridiculous.

Why is it anti Semitic to disagree with a Jewish practice? Ridiculous.

Nope.. not seen any antisemitism. Objecting to the mutilation of baby's genitals while they have no choice is not antisemitic! Would you like your vagina cut with no pain relief? without having any say in the matter? i saw recently that they reckon babies feel pain more than adults too

You can't just parade something like that around and expect no one to say anything "because culture" Do you agree with FGM OP? Because that's culture too.. so are child brides..

Sorry for double post.

sorry to have not expressed any of that very clearly, a rehash of that one deleted thread seemed like a very obvious trap to walk into so, instead, I hoped people could say whether or not they were aware of a problem with antisemitic views on the site

Objecting to the mutilation of baby's genitals while they have no choice is not antisemitic! Would you like your vagina cut with no pain relief? without having any say in the matter? i saw recently that they reckon babies feel pain more than adults too

I don't believe it was that which the OP was referring to, but the casual use of words used to insult Jewish women.

the narrow view of circumcision.

Snarklepoo would you care to expand on this?

it seems most people who have seen that kind of material are happy (as I was) that it was deleted quickly

which is what I'd hope for from MN

And no, I haven't seen any anti Semitism on MN.

The Turkish thread is shocking, though - making out that Turkish men are lecherous, greedy, misogynist creeps who try to deceive women into marriage for visas and who prey on underage girls.

No I am not aware of any antisemitic views on the site.

I haven't read every single thread though.

"I hoped people could say whether or not they were aware of a problem with antisemitic views on the site"

Why can't you give some examples of these antisemitic views?

Why is it anti Semitic to disagree with a Jewish practice? Ridiculous

Don't know about OP, but that isn't why I reported.

It was other words that were being used.

Didn't mean you, Bubbles, or anyone in particular.

Wow, you are all so oblivious! I would find it amusing if it wasn't so upsetting to deal with. In the space of a few minutes we've had circumcision equated to FGM, called mutilation, child abuse, etc, nasty insinuations about Israel and a rousing chorus of 'but x, y and z are not anti-semitic, I am a good person who would never hold unconscious biases!' Maybe I should get out my Antisemitism Bingo cards! skelveticake.tumblr.com/post/118131860608/where-can-i-find-the-antisemitism-bingo-cards Or mention an article about 'dinner party racism' that seems relevant here www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/jews-arent-all-stinking-rich-dinner-party-anti-semitism-is-horribly-predictable/ But I think instead I would rather just go to bed as this thread turns into the train wreck it's shaping up to be. Bye bye, OP! Good luck!

I have never seen anything antisemitic on here, but agree with the anti-circumcision thing, and I was quite horrified listening to BBC London a while back when there was much congratulating of Vanessa when her grandson had just been through the ceremony. I wonder if there will come a time where that's frowned upon as much as FGM.