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Troll-hunting and subsequent Thread-ruining

338 replies

oneofsuesylvesterscheerios · 07/04/2012 16:42

Yes, in some ways this is a thread about a thread, although its actually an interesting general point too. Plus, I don't want to carry on the discussion on the actual thread as it would be too damaging and would take it off in a completely different direction.

So... If a poster broke the rules and shouted troll, and then they were chastised (rightly) and the post removed, unless the offending surrounding comments reacting to the troll-hunt are removed too, the damage has been done surely?

We assume when someone posts regarding a personal trauma that they are telling the truth (well I hope we do) and if we suspect anything, we surely just ignore these days: we know the MN guidelines, etc.

And we know that certain situations in life happen to a lot of people (bereavement, loss, break-ups, etc). So when someone goes through a horrible time, the beauty of MN is that we don't just get sympathy and unmumsnetty hugs; we get empathy from folk who have been there themselves. We also often get bloody good advice, practical and emotional.

A thread that contains an accusation of troll-hunting is blindingly obvious even when the offending poster's comments have been removed. And thus, the damage is done.

When my dad died last I had some fantastic support from mnetters who'd suffered the loss of a parent and knew how 'rootless' it can make you. I'd have been confused and beyond upset if anyone had questioned my grief online. It doesn't matter how many positive posters there are on thread; just one snarky comment and the wave of a pitchfork is enough to send the OP packing, at a time when they might need the 'anonymous' support of MN most.

So, what I'm asking MN Towers is: if troll-hunting is banned, and it's fully acknowledged how damaging this could be on a thread that offers support to lots of people, often not just the OP, shouldn't all references and posts regarding an accusation be completely removed so the thread can remain intact and totally focused on the thread subject? Otherwise, it seems pointless.

OP posts:
OliviaLMumsnet · 08/04/2012 21:26

@PinotCantDoEasterNamesSoGaveUp

HQ get all scary and finger-pointing-y
Shock TSSDNCOP Shock

@PinotCantDoEasterNamesSoGaveUp

And I could be wrong, but my chinnychinchin keeps on itching when I see them all over the fecking place.

Please report, report, report if your chin is even vaguely itching. (there is no cream for that Grin)

PinotCantDoEasterNamesSoGaveUp · 08/04/2012 21:26

actually i would marry you if i were a boy and that

PinotCantDoEasterNamesSoGaveUp · 08/04/2012 21:27

ooh Olivia did a double quoter

I dooooooooooo report Miss. Honest I do.

everlong · 08/04/2012 21:30

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PaquesJeLeVauxBien · 08/04/2012 21:32

And don't forget the PMs Wink

PinotCantDoEasterNamesSoGaveUp · 08/04/2012 21:35

BIWI is that you? It sounds like you but you're hidden under a veil of frenchy

PaquesJeLeVauxBien · 08/04/2012 21:46

Ah oui! C'est moi!
[bugrin]

SarahStrattonsEasterName · 08/04/2012 22:07

another poster has implied that the troll-hunter has a reputation for bullying behaviour in the past...

Seeing as it's blatantly obvious that the above post is about me, and believe me it is, I would just like to point out that a) I am well aware that it's about me (obiviously), and b) I have no intention of reporting it, even though it is a blatant personal attack.

I do not bully OP, let's make that perfectly clear. I ignored your very offensive and personal posts about me even though they clearly breached MN rules and were absolutely and obviously bullying in tone.

I really don't care what you think of me. I stand by everything I said, I still think I was correct, and I know perfectly well that I was not the only one.

I was just foolish enough to want to warn people. I will not bother in future. And yes, it was a genuine wish to warn, and in no way was bullying involved.

PinotCantDoEasterNamesSoGaveUp · 08/04/2012 22:13

Stratters :( I had no idea it was about you. FFS that's horrid.

I have never seen you bully anyone, nor would I imagine you'd do that :( :(

SarahStrattonsEasterName · 08/04/2012 22:15

Of course I wouldn't, I never have. It's utterly ridiculous and nobody who knows me would think that.

OracleOnACrossacle · 08/04/2012 22:16

stratters, I assure you, that the vast majority of people dont think you are a bully. and the poster in question looked a bit of a tit accusing you of bullying by... well... bullying.

PinotCantDoEasterNamesSoGaveUp · 08/04/2012 22:18

I missed it all.

I would have flung myself in front of you Stratters I would.

And launched a virolent defence.

Which fred was it on? I can still pile in now, albeit a bit late?

PaquesJeLeVauxBien · 08/04/2012 22:20

... erm, this one ...

SuePurblybiltFromChocolate · 08/04/2012 22:20

It's deleted, Pinot.

PinotCantDoEasterNamesSoGaveUp · 08/04/2012 22:22

Stupid RL.

And none of you bastards told me?

everlong · 08/04/2012 22:24

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SarahStrattonsEasterName · 08/04/2012 22:24

I didn't even know this thread existed until a little while ago, I never bother with Site Stuff.

Thank you, dullings.

breadbiscuit · 08/04/2012 22:24

It hasn't been deleted.

Presumably because it wasn't started by a troll; but it would help if MNHQ could confirm that the OP wasn't a troll, since it was obviously very strongly "felt" that she was. Apparently. I've only just read it.

SuePurblybiltFromChocolate · 08/04/2012 22:25

No, the POST is deleted - the one attacking Stratts. The thread is still there.

LadyBeagleEyes · 08/04/2012 22:27

That Stratters is one scary fucker [wunk]

SarahStrattonsEasterName · 08/04/2012 22:28

Do you, do you really ever? I can bore you a whooole lot more with that. [bugrin]

He's had a haircut today (well last night) but no bath, no time for that, he was invited to Easter lunch at Granny's.

He gets his own place sitting, and she bought him a pretty china bowl for when he is at her house.

everlong · 08/04/2012 22:30

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SecretNutellaFix · 08/04/2012 22:31

Stratters is a bully?

Fuck, that means I am 6ft tall, blonde, size 8 and my husband is a multi-millionaire.

Hmm
everlong · 08/04/2012 22:31

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SarahStrattonsEasterName · 08/04/2012 22:32

Problem is bread, as has been said further back, it can be impossible to prove. If it's the only thread made, and the IP address is new/not linkable, then there's no actual proof. Nothing more than a gut feeling combined with seeing the usual signs.

But it is sick, sick, sick when people get dragged into it. And anyone who knows me knows that I don't actually call troll usually, I just report. So calling me a troll hunter and a bully is pure fiction.

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