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Please do encourage your non-native speaker DC to take MFL for A level if that’s what they would like

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clary · 25/10/2025 20:36

MFL is my subject – I studied MFL at A level and university, taught MFL at secondary and now tutor and conduct speaking assessments. This isn’t an ad! – just to show I have some knowledge.

Take-up of MFL at GCSE and very much at A level is sadly (my view) diminishing. There are a number of reasons – it’s seen as difficult or not needed, big focus on STEM (which I am not against FWIW).

One suggested reason is because of all the native speakers who will make it much harder to gain a higher grade (esp at A level). I wanted to help people to see that it’s not an issue, and that if their DC is keen on French or German or Spanish or any other language, they should (please) pursue it in some way, whether that’s qualifications or some independent method (Duolingo, travel, online class).

People worry that grade boundaries are unfairly pushed up by the numbers of native speakers, making it impossible for a non-native to get a good grade. But in fact there is no need to be of native speaker standard to gain a top grade – which the AQA spec clearly states. If you get the marks – and they are there to be got – you’ll get the grade. The GCSE and A level exam are not targeted at the high end of a native speaker ability. It’s not easy, you’ll need to work, but what’s the issue with that?

And are the GBs pushed up? Pretty sure they are not. Polish GCSE, for example, which surely is sat in virtually every case by a native speaker – AQA GCSE GBs for a 9-8-7 last year – 196/173/150; GBs for French (mostly not sat by natives) 195/172/150; Spanish (ditto) 195/170/145. Very very similar. More than 80% of those taking Polish GCSE get a grade 7+ – but you can see, that has not affected the GBs. Nor should it IMHO.

And looking at A level, where German is taken by so few students that the % of native speakers must be higher than for French or Spanish (both taken by three times as many) – GBs for A-star and A, 351/304; French 358/325; Spanish 344/303. A higher mark needed to get a top grade in French, not German, even tho the % of natives in French will be lower.

A colleague said to me last year that their DS was in an A level class with a French native speaker – “of course that was a nightmare as he couldn’t do as well as her” – firstly it’s not a contest – you can both get an A-star! Secondly it can be a massive benefit. I had a friend in my A level French class who was amazing at vocab. She was an asset in class and my colleague’s DC's classmate could be too. Ask them vocab, learn the latest idiom from them, they will have interesting views on the social and political issues you need to discuss. It really is a positive.

Also I want to stress that despite what some ppl believe, being a native speaker is not a shoo-in for an A star at A level. For sure it is a help, I would be foolish to deny that. But I have seen native speakers in speaking assessments who have clearly thought they just need to rock up and boom! top grade. They have presented a woefully inadequate IRP form, and not done their homework on the topics. I had a native speaker candidate last year was emphatic that she didn’t need to have read a book or watched a film, as no one had told her about that element of the exam. These students will not get A stars.

I tell you who will tho – a student (native or not) who has worked hard, researched their IRP topic, learned some good vocab, stats and current views on the 12 topics; a student who has learned how to do to do well in the written exams, including summaries (often the downfall of a native speaker IME) and translation tasks; a student who has read the book, watched the film, read around both and acquired the necessary vocab and structures to write cogently about the themes therein. All of that is available to both native and non-native speakers. Some of the very best candidates I have seen in speaking assessments have been native speakers who had clearly done lots and lots of work, and some of the other best have been non-native, who ditto.

All that said – I really don’t advise A level MFL without a strong grounding in vocab and grammar – which usually equates (other factors aside) to a grade 7 at GCSE.

Anyway what a long post! sorry! but I am interested in others’ views and experiences.

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Stowickthevast · Yesterday 11:20

Thanks @clary. She's doing The Lives of Others and Andorra.

The Lives of Others is on at the West End at the moment so was wondering if I should get tickets but it's very pricey. May see if they've got student discounts.

clary · Yesterday 11:52

Stowickthevast · Yesterday 11:20

Thanks @clary. She's doing The Lives of Others and Andorra.

The Lives of Others is on at the West End at the moment so was wondering if I should get tickets but it's very pricey. May see if they've got student discounts.

Oooh Andorra, unusual choice but a great play.

Love Leben des Anderen, usually my film pick. Yes I saw that it's on in the WE but a) Keira K hence ££ b) she's studying the film not the play c) it will be in English (obvs). I mean would be great to see it anyway but not as crucial as (say) watching Macbeth for Eng lit GCSE.

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Teeheehee1579 · Today 10:59

I just want to say thanks for this thread - I’ve been lurking for a while - my DD has just started French a level (having got an 8 for gcse). She almost didn’t do it - she was very put off by the amount of native speakers at the open evening at the college but there are so many good pointers and bits of advice on this thread that helped me to talk it through with her. She’s only a week in and still nervous before every lesson but also really enjoying it. What surprised me (although it is a big college) is how many are doing it - 2 fair sized classes. I did german for A level and then as part of my degree so French isn’t my language at all so this has all been very helpful!

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