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What to say to demanding PIL re limited time to visit them?

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SoTiredSoTiredSoTired · 26/09/2026 06:09

I need to work out what needs saying to PIL about our impending visit to their city. We will be there for 8 days in total.

The visit is specifically to help my mother deal with my father, who has had a stroke. Mother is driving 100km each way daily to visit him in a rehab hospital and is exhausted. We are visiting to help by driving her to the hospital and cooking her dinner each night. All of us will be involved in these trips, so that we all get time with my father and mother. The time spent with my father is likely to be an hour or so at most.

PIL live nearly an hour across the city in the other direction from my parents' place. They are fit, healthy, very used to getting their own way, and dare I say it, they like playing the main parts in their luxurious life with everyone else as extras.

When DH tells them about our visit, MIL will go into "poor little me" mode and wheedle at DH for just a few visits here and there (meaning: every day). DH will feel guilty and promise that he and DS will visit every day. FIL will go into shouting bulldog mode and phone up DH and bully him into a schedule worked out by FIL where DH has to bring DS to visit for exactly as many hours as are being spent with my parents, whether or not this suits anyone. DH will feel guilty and agree, because he always agrees with everything his father says. He always has.

Meanwhile DS will be stuck in the middle of all this and will be spending 5 hours a day in the car, being dragged around from one set of grandparents to the other. I will be required to play the nanny, required to come to visit PIL with DH and DS, but not actually allowed to partake in any part of the visit (no talking, no eating or drinking, etc), merely being there in case DS needs me.

Needless to say I don't want to do the PIL bit. DH claims also not to, but "wishes it would all go away" re his parents being demanding, and thus will agree to every single damn thing his father demands.

I've pointed out on many occasions that by always letting his father ride high-handedly over everyone else, DH is not behaving as a decent husband or father. He says he doesn't enjoy it, says it's all so weird, and then just lets it all happen again, every time. The weakness is profoundly unattractive. I am, however, completely dependent on DH at the moment.

What should DH say to PIL when he tells them about our trip?

My idea below:

"Dear PIL, we're visiting your city, however it is to help SoTired's parents because her father has had a stroke. We will be spending a very large amount of time on helping her mother and visiting her father, and it will be on an unpredictable schedule. We will not be able to visit you every day, so please don't request visits every day or even every second day."

...will undoubtedly result in a viciously demanding phonecall from FIL to which DH acquiesces.

OP posts:
CalliopeFosterBeauchamp · 27/09/2026 20:19

SoTiredSoTiredSoTired · 26/09/2026 07:43

@Octavia64 @Sulgari there is anaphylactic allergy and non-anaphylactic allergy, as well as intolerance. DS9 has a non-anaphylactic allergy to dairy: whey protein gives him severe diarrhoea. MIL thinks I am "being difficult" and choosing for DS not to be able to have a normal life like a normal child. Therefore she insists on feeding him stuff like milk, ice cream and cheese. DS objects and gets told by FIL to be quiet, DH goes to object and FIL steps in and tells him he's being stupid, MIL has brought up children, MIL knows what she's doing. DH cringes, tells DS to shut up and be grateful. DS politely eats the food and then half an hour later has diarrhoea. Meanwhile I am sitting in a cafe 1km from PILs house because i haven't been invited in, so I only find this out afterwards. I say this isn't going to happen again, so I will attend all visits in future. I then attend visits, uninvited, where PILs don't even talk to me let alone offer me any food or anything. My presence stops MIL from deliberately feeding DS9 dairy, but there are no other upsides to the visits other than DH assuaging his conscience.

Yes, I have a DH problem. However, we live in a different country from the city where PIL and my parents live, so this stuff doesn't come up more than once or twice a year, but it drags on unresolved from one year to the next.

It is also worth considering that not everyone has the money to just up sticks and move to somewhere they can get a job after 10 years out of the workforce, particularly with a child in tow who has unreliable school attendance (and currently, no school attendance). If I dump DH and move cities, and take DS with me - and DS crumbles due to the stress and won't go to school at all - is that a better outcome than us living where we do?

On driving, I have tried many times over the past few decades. I have visual issues and PTSD from previous attempts at learning. I am so bad at it that driving instructors suggest that I find alternative means of transport. This works in most places we go to, and has in the past worked for our parents' city - but it doesn't work for covering the distance to the rehab hospital.

On DS not attending school, yes I agree it's hardly ideal. However, a rigid school system with fines and prosecutions for non-attendance, as well as draconian punishment for "poor choices" like compulsive daydreaming rooted in anxiety instead of completing work, isn't a good fit for a highly anxious, people-pleaser, germ-phobic ND 9 year old. It's far better for him educationally and in terms of mental health to be correspondence-schooled at home and get to see peers outside of school time. He has plenty of extracurriculars and plenty of friends. I'm working on the germ thing, but he got it by being forced to attend school sitting in classrooms full of sick kids.

Re my mother staying closer to the hospital, i completely agree and will try to ask about whether this could be an option, again.

I’d be investigating legal action to stop your in laws seeing your DS. They’re putting his health at risk.

As for your pathetic DH - what would happen if he just blocked his parents? He can write them a letter beforehand telling him he’s doing it if he has to, but for his own sake as well as his family’s, this has to stop.

Could you and DS move in with your mum until your H manages to grow a backbone / until you find a job?

You should have left as soon as this ridiculous notion of not letting you eat and drink in their house started.

Your ILs are bullies - you both need to stand up to them. In your case, this might mean leaving, preventing them from having access to your son, and finding a way to live that means you’re not reliant on your husband.

Lexibletheflexible · 28/09/2026 07:40

AudHvamm · 27/09/2026 14:56

Hi Lexible, you're back! You didn't address my questions about your now deleted comment, why have you decided op is controlling, toxic and wrathful?

Because I see red flags for those things in her own account.

SpryCat · 28/09/2026 08:04

You have a huge DH problem, he expects everyone to cater to his parents so he doesn’t get bullied by them. Your son getting fed food he is allergic too by his mum and possibly needing hospital treatment because of it or you having to play the part of a puppet around them is preferable to him than him having to feel victimised by his parents. He is allowing them to victimise his wife and child in order to be their good and faithful puppy and he doesn’t have to face feeling uncomfortable, he’s just passing the baton and if your son dies then that’s the price he is willing to pay to please them. He’s a fucking coward cowering and offering up both your’s and your son’s head on a platter for them to devour to save his own skin.

PinkHibiscusFlowers · 28/09/2026 08:11

This is all so fucked up!
This whole family dynamic is completely toxic.
Your DH is being bullied by his parents and passing this onto your son who sounds like he needs a lot of support.
They sound absolutely vile.
You have a huge DH problem and should be doing whatever it takes to either leave him or insist that he stands up to these idiots.
Their treatment of you all is reprehensible but they are just being enabled to continue.

Can you stay with your Mum?
Stay closer to your Dads centre?
Can your mum support you in being able to leave?

Something needs to give here and DH giving in isn’t an option.

Yabbadabbadooooooo · 28/09/2026 08:33

Put your mum up in an Airbnb or even a cheapo hotel near the hospital / care home so she doesn’t need to cook and clean or drive. Then you stay there as well and don’t see PIL at all. This is all about YOUR parents. Not his.

Sulgari · 28/09/2026 08:38

I’d really like to hear the other side of this story

RandomMess · 28/09/2026 09:03

I really think you and DH need to go to therapy together for him to then realise he needs individual therapy to deal with his parents. They sound truly awful.

Pherian · 28/09/2026 09:29

SoTiredSoTiredSoTired · 26/09/2026 06:09

I need to work out what needs saying to PIL about our impending visit to their city. We will be there for 8 days in total.

The visit is specifically to help my mother deal with my father, who has had a stroke. Mother is driving 100km each way daily to visit him in a rehab hospital and is exhausted. We are visiting to help by driving her to the hospital and cooking her dinner each night. All of us will be involved in these trips, so that we all get time with my father and mother. The time spent with my father is likely to be an hour or so at most.

PIL live nearly an hour across the city in the other direction from my parents' place. They are fit, healthy, very used to getting their own way, and dare I say it, they like playing the main parts in their luxurious life with everyone else as extras.

When DH tells them about our visit, MIL will go into "poor little me" mode and wheedle at DH for just a few visits here and there (meaning: every day). DH will feel guilty and promise that he and DS will visit every day. FIL will go into shouting bulldog mode and phone up DH and bully him into a schedule worked out by FIL where DH has to bring DS to visit for exactly as many hours as are being spent with my parents, whether or not this suits anyone. DH will feel guilty and agree, because he always agrees with everything his father says. He always has.

Meanwhile DS will be stuck in the middle of all this and will be spending 5 hours a day in the car, being dragged around from one set of grandparents to the other. I will be required to play the nanny, required to come to visit PIL with DH and DS, but not actually allowed to partake in any part of the visit (no talking, no eating or drinking, etc), merely being there in case DS needs me.

Needless to say I don't want to do the PIL bit. DH claims also not to, but "wishes it would all go away" re his parents being demanding, and thus will agree to every single damn thing his father demands.

I've pointed out on many occasions that by always letting his father ride high-handedly over everyone else, DH is not behaving as a decent husband or father. He says he doesn't enjoy it, says it's all so weird, and then just lets it all happen again, every time. The weakness is profoundly unattractive. I am, however, completely dependent on DH at the moment.

What should DH say to PIL when he tells them about our trip?

My idea below:

"Dear PIL, we're visiting your city, however it is to help SoTired's parents because her father has had a stroke. We will be spending a very large amount of time on helping her mother and visiting her father, and it will be on an unpredictable schedule. We will not be able to visit you every day, so please don't request visits every day or even every second day."

...will undoubtedly result in a viciously demanding phonecall from FIL to which DH acquiesces.

You don’t need to say anything other than - we will play it by ear because we’re going to be back and forth to the hospital. Then ignore the objections or demands.

Elsieandme · 28/09/2026 09:46

Dear PIL.

As you’re aware we are visiting due to my father’s illness and to support my mother . This isn’t a social visit and therefore we will not be planning any specific visits as I know you will appreciate this will be exhausting for us and I also know you wouldn’t expect any different under these difficult circumstances.

PurpleThistle7 · 28/09/2026 09:51

This is incredibly messy. I think you actually aren't helping your mum at all by coming out and bringing all this drama. Either go yourself (and spend the savings on flights on a hotel near the hospital for the two of you) or don't go as none of this will help anyone. If your husband and son are going round in circles to his parents, he can't also be chauffeuring you around. If your mum is driving you anyway, you aren't saving her anything. The whole setup is really problematic for everyone.

I can't believe your husband is letting this situation drag on this long. watching his parents abuse his wife and child and going back again and again? It's really, really icky.

CherryKerry · 28/09/2026 09:55

Are all 3 of you surgically attached?

You do your thing and let DH/DS visit their paternal Grandparents for the day otherwise, you come across as the controlling one!

WildLeader · 28/09/2026 10:09

@SoTiredSoTiredSoTired Thing is, nothing is going to change unless you change what you’re doing.

sit your h down and TELL HIM that you’re not allowing DS to go there, that you’re not going to pretend not to exist anymore and if he can’t stand up for his wife at this VERY DIFFICULT time, then he seriously needs to consider why on earth you’d want to continue in this marriage.

You can tell them that you’re going to be there to help your DP, and no visits will be possible as you/dh won’t have the time. They can come and meet dh if they wish, but this is not a social visit, so you won’t be making social calls

and yeah, fucking shout at your H and tell him that his DP don’t rule over your house or marriage and that you are taking over as the matriarch of your family.

WildLeader · 28/09/2026 10:11

My h wouldn’t allow anyone treat me like this.
not even his (trickier) kid.

don’t put up with this @SoTiredSoTiredSoTired

Schoolchoicesucks · 28/09/2026 10:17

There's clearly a lot of historic issues here.

You and your in-laws do not get on. You don't need to be involved in any comms with them about the trip. If you can, get DH to agree to not tell them you are there. Then there is no problem to be solved. If he insists on telling them, that is his issue for him to fit in around what he has agreed to do for your parents. DS does not go if DH is unable to ensure he won't be fed foods that he is intolerant to.

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 28/09/2026 11:26

Hi @SoTiredSoTiredSoTired I've read your posts but not all the replies yet. but one thing occurs to me.

The ideal solution would be never to see PILS ever again. Or just for your DH to. It's hard to understand why they think depriving them of seeing DS is some kind of crime, yet abusing him by feeding him food that makes him ill isn't.
Couldn't you eave DS at home with DH and go yourself?
But Since your DH is clearly going to tell PILs.. Don't send that note in your OP to them.

Why tell them its two weeks. Why not say two days? That way.. you have one or two days when he has to visit.. but you can have two weeks without that pressure.
Also. Why does DH need to give them any advance notice... Tell them after you've had at least a week helping your parents. You don't have to go into any details about what help either.

Your problems sound many layered and there's no simple solution. if it were as simple as your DH standing up to them, that would have happened already, but it hasn't However, they sound completely uncompromising and also they are intentionally and deliberately damaging your child, just as they have damaged your DH, so I can understand your upset.

So I guess your immediate priority is managing your parents issue, and also preventing (somehow) your DS from being anywhere near them on the visit. I think the stress of a visit where they ignore you so belligerently must be overwhelming and the sheer frustration of having to be subjected to it.

Mercifully they live in a different country, but its hard to understand from the outside why they exert so much power. When you get home again you will have more room for manoeuver to find a longer term solution.

Maybe someone on here has some better advice on how to manage this when there are so many issues to fix.. Perhaps you could find some kind of mediator so that you and your DH could talk this through.. Don't ask, just set it up and request he attends.
I don't know what country your PILs live in or how this would work and I'm not any kind of expert but could you get official GP Letters detailing your DS condition, and what he can and can't eat and send it with a solicitors letter? Warning them that continuing to feed him the wrong foods is child abuse?
But it would be simpler if you went on your own to your parents and got taxis.

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 28/09/2026 13:18

096ghkk · 26/09/2026 13:47

However, to play devils advocate her ewhen it comes to PIL....they are erhaps ND as is their son hence the grandkid being neurodiverse. The grandparents see their DIL keeping her child at home, having taken him permanently out of school, because of germs and general unhappiness. She now says he has more allergies - which aren't deadly and seems quite health anxious and is unhappy about the seeing their son and grandchild. The child himself is quite OCD and fearful of things.

Now am not in any way saying this is how things are. However, both sides seem rather inflexible and somewhat complex. Yes, one story is that Dh and his family are abusive, the other is they are all ND and can't successfully manage dynamics between the four vectors - child, PIL, Op and her husband.

But the OP said that her PILs having been told several times that the child was allergic to certain foods, went ahead and fed it to him, the DH tried very feebly to stop them, they insisted, the poor child ate them and within half an hour had significant diarrhea.
They blank OP when she visits and she's not allowed to eat or drink in their home.

I don't think that can be attributed just to them being ND or allowing them to continue doing it on that basis.

AlwaysExtraHot · 28/09/2026 13:31

Sorry, what? Your MIL deliberately feeds your child foods he's allergic to, and you are 'permitted' to go to their house but not offered food or drink?
You need to get seriously angry with your DH about this. Shout. Demand a serious, sensible answer from him as to what about any of this is acceptable.
As for the visit itself, don't tell them. Tell your DH not to tell them (see above re getting angry about it).

Hazyjaneishere · 28/09/2026 20:09

I don’t think you need to take the mental load of this. They’re not your parents. Ask your husband what if anything he wants to do about seeing them and make it clear what kind of support you will need in order to best support your own parents who are obviously having a tough time of it. Then he can do comms with his own parents, It’s not really your problem and I think you can just say that you’re personally not going to see them this time.

Wellshellsbells · 28/09/2026 20:11

Surely he can spend a day with them when you are in the same city!

WhistPie · 28/09/2026 20:25

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