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What to say to demanding PIL re limited time to visit them?

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SoTiredSoTiredSoTired · 26/09/2026 06:09

I need to work out what needs saying to PIL about our impending visit to their city. We will be there for 8 days in total.

The visit is specifically to help my mother deal with my father, who has had a stroke. Mother is driving 100km each way daily to visit him in a rehab hospital and is exhausted. We are visiting to help by driving her to the hospital and cooking her dinner each night. All of us will be involved in these trips, so that we all get time with my father and mother. The time spent with my father is likely to be an hour or so at most.

PIL live nearly an hour across the city in the other direction from my parents' place. They are fit, healthy, very used to getting their own way, and dare I say it, they like playing the main parts in their luxurious life with everyone else as extras.

When DH tells them about our visit, MIL will go into "poor little me" mode and wheedle at DH for just a few visits here and there (meaning: every day). DH will feel guilty and promise that he and DS will visit every day. FIL will go into shouting bulldog mode and phone up DH and bully him into a schedule worked out by FIL where DH has to bring DS to visit for exactly as many hours as are being spent with my parents, whether or not this suits anyone. DH will feel guilty and agree, because he always agrees with everything his father says. He always has.

Meanwhile DS will be stuck in the middle of all this and will be spending 5 hours a day in the car, being dragged around from one set of grandparents to the other. I will be required to play the nanny, required to come to visit PIL with DH and DS, but not actually allowed to partake in any part of the visit (no talking, no eating or drinking, etc), merely being there in case DS needs me.

Needless to say I don't want to do the PIL bit. DH claims also not to, but "wishes it would all go away" re his parents being demanding, and thus will agree to every single damn thing his father demands.

I've pointed out on many occasions that by always letting his father ride high-handedly over everyone else, DH is not behaving as a decent husband or father. He says he doesn't enjoy it, says it's all so weird, and then just lets it all happen again, every time. The weakness is profoundly unattractive. I am, however, completely dependent on DH at the moment.

What should DH say to PIL when he tells them about our trip?

My idea below:

"Dear PIL, we're visiting your city, however it is to help SoTired's parents because her father has had a stroke. We will be spending a very large amount of time on helping her mother and visiting her father, and it will be on an unpredictable schedule. We will not be able to visit you every day, so please don't request visits every day or even every second day."

...will undoubtedly result in a viciously demanding phonecall from FIL to which DH acquiesces.

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AudHvamm · 26/09/2026 06:43

Lexibletheflexible · 26/09/2026 06:32

OP went onto say she doesnt trust husband alone with son and his parents. She's made it clear this is a wider effort to keep them apart unless it is under her direct supervision.

Did you not read that the MIL force-feeds the child foods they're allergic to, or were you too busy looking for a high horse to jump on?

TheBlueKoala · 26/09/2026 06:44

@SoTiredSoTiredSoTired If your son is 9 years old and intelligent he knows what he's allergic to surely? Let dh and ds visit Pil a couple of times while you stay helping your mum.

Lexibletheflexible · 26/09/2026 06:45

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Lexibletheflexible · 26/09/2026 06:45

AudHvamm · 26/09/2026 06:43

Did you not read that the MIL force-feeds the child foods they're allergic to, or were you too busy looking for a high horse to jump on?

Yeah doesnt ring true to me. It's a common ploy used to control children "only I can feed him without killing him".

Jackospice · 26/09/2026 06:46

Mapletree1985 · 26/09/2026 06:42

Poor guy. He needs to grow a spine, but OP might not like that.

I’m a bit confused by these responses, is the op well known or something and there’s a back story I’m missing? Why do we think the op is controlling? She seems to be going to a house where her kid is being given food he’s allergic to, and everyone is hosted whilst she’s not allowed to eat or talk? Her dh allows her and her son to be treated terribly. Her and dh sound like they need to work on their boundaries massively, and both be a bit more controlling if anything?

JamJar187 · 26/09/2026 06:46

Your PILs sound abusive.

I'd tell them to eff off. Focus on your sick father, not them - wishing him a speedy recovery.

Sulgari · 26/09/2026 06:49

The saddest part for me was the description of the DS anxious about passing on germs, and sitting quietly reading a book

Do you suffer from anxiety, @SoTiredSoTiredSoTired ?

DozyCrow · 26/09/2026 06:51

I'm sorry, I know there's a lot of psychology around what's going on with your DH and his DP, but he sounds pathetic if he'd rather his wife get treated abysmally and/or his son put at risk of being given a food allergen, rather than keep his mouth shut and not tell his DP he's on this trip. Has he had any therapy at all for this?

Lexibletheflexible · 26/09/2026 06:53

Jackospice · 26/09/2026 06:46

I’m a bit confused by these responses, is the op well known or something and there’s a back story I’m missing? Why do we think the op is controlling? She seems to be going to a house where her kid is being given food he’s allergic to, and everyone is hosted whilst she’s not allowed to eat or talk? Her dh allows her and her son to be treated terribly. Her and dh sound like they need to work on their boundaries massively, and both be a bit more controlling if anything?

If this was really a problem, DH would deal with it. It isn't a problem for him, he just wishes his spouse and parents werent in this constant competition for his affection and time.

No sane person is going to sit and watch someone feed something that their child is allergic to. When I hear that, I immediately suspects there isnt an allergy at all.

Let's say that he is that type of person and he would do that. Either through neglect or fear of his parents. What good person with moral intentions would stay in that marriage? To me, you only would if the person is vulnerable so you can take advantage of them, too.

AudHvamm · 26/09/2026 06:57

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How do you know about these toxic coprenting behaviours? You've asked one clarifying question and then jumpined to a fairly entrenched position. If the OP is highly anxious and controlling as you suspect, do you think your posts are offering them any kind of perspective on themselves? Because to me it just reads that you want to show off how terrible it perceptive you are to other people.

SoTiredSoTiredSoTired · 26/09/2026 06:58

@DozyCrow Frankly I agree with you. He is absolutely pathetic. No, he hasn't had any therapy because he's "too busy", "wishes it would all go away" "doesn't see there's a problem" "doesn't want to discuss it" "hasn't got time to talk right now". It drives me up the bloody wall, but I'm stuck.

I am dependent on him because we moved to our current location for his job, think I'd be able to get a job. The economy has tanked repeatedly, I haven't got a job. I'm also homeschooling DS who has been bullied out of the school system.

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MCF86 · 26/09/2026 06:58

ImmortalSnowman · 26/09/2026 06:35

She also said her PIL feed her allergic child food that could potentially kill him (depending on his allergies) or at least make him sick. Would you put your child at risk to appease your husband who won't stop them? Active child abuse.

I am surprised if PIL intentionally doing that isn't enough for DH to stand up to them. I'd want to divorce him over that, but then there's the fear he takes DC during contact time.

Either way, I'd have reported PIL for it!

ExtraOnions · 26/09/2026 07:01

Why do DH and DS need to go to the rehab place every day? I speak from experience of someone who’s parent had a stroke, these places aren’t built for kids… it’s not that great as an adult either.

I wouldn’t have DS go more than once or twice.. and nobody has to go every day. Let DH take DS to his parents, and you take Mum to the hospital.

DonewhatIcando · 26/09/2026 07:02

@SoTiredSoTiredSoTired
Wtaf have I just read?

You go to PILs and they dont talk to you or give you food or drink, they deliberately exclude you but feed everyone else???

Your DH allows this?

Take out the issue of MILs demands and FILs bullying behaviour, the above issue has left me slack jawed that anyone would treat another human being like that and your DH allows it.

What do you mean completely dependent on your you DH, just for the driving or financially too?

I have no advice apart from never visit them again and I'd be seriously considering ending my marriage to a man who allowed anyone to treat me like that.

MellowSubmarine · 26/09/2026 07:03

SoTiredSoTiredSoTired · 26/09/2026 06:23

@Potooooooooes yes, correct.

@Lexibletheflexible DS is 9, is obsessive about not passing on germs, and is quiet and well behaved, so woul dhappily sit reading a book or partaking in adult conversation. The difficulty here is (1) I can't drive there, DH can; and (2) I don't want DS spending time alone with PIL. There is a lot of background and I don't trust them. DH will always do as directed by FIL, so if FIL wants to give MIL alone time with DS, e.g. where she deliberately feeds DS foods he's allergic to, DH will let that happen. Thus I will go to visit PIL too, even though they refuse to have anything to do with me and treat me like a nanny.

All those saying "don't tell PIL you're going".... DH won't do that. He's too beaten into the ground by FIL.

I would find your husband extremely hard to deal with tbh.

I don’t care how beaten down he is, his parents don’t talk to you or offer you food when you visit, and they feed your son things he’s allergic to. And he still hasn’t found a backbone?

Octavia64 · 26/09/2026 07:04

I was in a similar situation,

pil “didn’t believe” in intolerances.

it’s surprisingly common.

two options:

one (you should do this anyway) train your nine year old to know what he is allergic to and teach him several phrases to use to refuse food. You’ll be able to teach him better than your dh. It’s good training for life generally.

two if you can organise it so only you go and dh stays at home with your son do so. Take your mum to a hotel near the hospital.

Flapjak · 26/09/2026 07:04

Well it sounds like it doesn't matter what you or your husband says because as soon as his parents bully/harangue he will acquiesce and then you will also go along with it, so either you don't say anything at all and if your husband can't do that then there is something seriously wrong with him in that he knows what the consequences will be but is prepared to do it anyway , or ultimately he doesn't care.enough about your feelings to allow you to knowingly be treated so appallingly at what must be a difficult time, so I would be calling him out on this and let him know that his behaviour is jeopardising your marriage, what do you mean you are not allowed to talk while you are there? What kind of man wants his chil d to witness their mum being treated like a second class citizen

Rosscameasdoody · 26/09/2026 07:06

Ra33it99 · 26/09/2026 06:20

Why do you have to tell them you're going? Doesn't sound like you'll bump into them.

My thoughts exactly. If they’re so difficult put them on a need to know basis. This is a visit for a specific purpose which doesn’t involve them (assuming they wouldn’t want to help) so they don’t need to know. From what OP has said, l suspect she has a DH problem.

AbzMoz · 26/09/2026 07:07

You just don’t tell them you’re in that city if you don’t have time to deal with them when you’re in it. After the fact, you can say ‘anything fun wasn’t on the agenda - we were dealing with the medical issue.’ Or you say you’re there for 2-3 days only.

If you can’t drive but DH can, can you and your mother stay at a nearby hotel to the hospital for 2-3 days, maybe one with some nice surrounds too so 1) you ease the travel, 2) get some respite and 3) DH and dc see the ils within that window.

If DH will be browbeaten by the ILs then make it proactive or useful - it’s be a great help if ILs took dc to the swimming pool as we are having and early start to drive to the hospital; we can’t head across the city but can you meet us for dinner at xyz.

Mymanyellow · 26/09/2026 07:08

This one if the strangest threads I’ve read in a long time.
When you go to visit you aren’t allowed to talk? Or they just ignore you? No food, no drink for you? They feed your son things he’s allergic to and dh sits there like a bump on a log?
Tell dh if he wants to go he can go on his own I would seriously be considering my marriage. Hope your dad feels better soon.

MellowSubmarine · 26/09/2026 07:09

Lexibletheflexible · 26/09/2026 06:45

Yeah doesnt ring true to me. It's a common ploy used to control children "only I can feed him without killing him".

It’s something I’ve read multiple times on MN - a family member who doesn’t really believe in allergies and were giving the child food when they’re looking after them. Generally it’s non anaphylactic allergies and an attitude along the lines of “no one was lactose intolerant back in my day”.
Obviously all the OPs in those cases could be lying too. But that would be weird.

Sulgari · 26/09/2026 07:09

Octavia64 · 26/09/2026 07:04

I was in a similar situation,

pil “didn’t believe” in intolerances.

it’s surprisingly common.

two options:

one (you should do this anyway) train your nine year old to know what he is allergic to and teach him several phrases to use to refuse food. You’ll be able to teach him better than your dh. It’s good training for life generally.

two if you can organise it so only you go and dh stays at home with your son do so. Take your mum to a hotel near the hospital.

Intolerance is not the same allergy

Sulgari · 26/09/2026 07:10

this is all massive red flags about how your child is being raised

never mind DH having therapy, have you had therapy @SoTiredSoTiredSoTired

if you can’t drive I don’t see how you can expect your DH to act as chauffeur for these visits and then say he can’t see his family.

I think you should go to the city yourself and support your DM. Leave DH and ds at home

AudHvamm · 26/09/2026 07:12

@SoTiredSoTiredSoTired what's the impact of all this on you? It must be an exhausting way to live, or are the PIL far enough away that it doesn't come up much day-to-day?

It sounda like some family therapy - maybe family systems therapy - could be useful for you, DH and DS to help you all unpack how living with this affects/has affected you as a family unit. It's possible that your husband wanting to bury his head in the sand has pushed you into a more extreme and anxious opposition than you'd have if he was more boundaried.

For the immediate trip, am I understanding you can't drive at all? If that's the case I think the suggestion for you and your DM to stay near the hospice is a good one (perhaps you can get taxis to save her any driving). If your DH & DS either host his parents and stay at your parent's, or only meet them in the city centre for example, your DH would have more control over allergens etc.

Allthatwegotisthispalebluedot · 26/09/2026 07:16

Sulgari · 26/09/2026 07:10

this is all massive red flags about how your child is being raised

never mind DH having therapy, have you had therapy @SoTiredSoTiredSoTired

if you can’t drive I don’t see how you can expect your DH to act as chauffeur for these visits and then say he can’t see his family.

I think you should go to the city yourself and support your DM. Leave DH and ds at home

Edited

I agree. There’s a number of interpretations here, and not one of them makes you look like a good parent.

If any of this is even remotely true, learn to drive, leave the husband and move somewhere you CAN get a job. It sounds like you all need help, including the 9 year old.