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What to say to demanding PIL re limited time to visit them?

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SoTiredSoTiredSoTired · 26/09/2026 06:09

I need to work out what needs saying to PIL about our impending visit to their city. We will be there for 8 days in total.

The visit is specifically to help my mother deal with my father, who has had a stroke. Mother is driving 100km each way daily to visit him in a rehab hospital and is exhausted. We are visiting to help by driving her to the hospital and cooking her dinner each night. All of us will be involved in these trips, so that we all get time with my father and mother. The time spent with my father is likely to be an hour or so at most.

PIL live nearly an hour across the city in the other direction from my parents' place. They are fit, healthy, very used to getting their own way, and dare I say it, they like playing the main parts in their luxurious life with everyone else as extras.

When DH tells them about our visit, MIL will go into "poor little me" mode and wheedle at DH for just a few visits here and there (meaning: every day). DH will feel guilty and promise that he and DS will visit every day. FIL will go into shouting bulldog mode and phone up DH and bully him into a schedule worked out by FIL where DH has to bring DS to visit for exactly as many hours as are being spent with my parents, whether or not this suits anyone. DH will feel guilty and agree, because he always agrees with everything his father says. He always has.

Meanwhile DS will be stuck in the middle of all this and will be spending 5 hours a day in the car, being dragged around from one set of grandparents to the other. I will be required to play the nanny, required to come to visit PIL with DH and DS, but not actually allowed to partake in any part of the visit (no talking, no eating or drinking, etc), merely being there in case DS needs me.

Needless to say I don't want to do the PIL bit. DH claims also not to, but "wishes it would all go away" re his parents being demanding, and thus will agree to every single damn thing his father demands.

I've pointed out on many occasions that by always letting his father ride high-handedly over everyone else, DH is not behaving as a decent husband or father. He says he doesn't enjoy it, says it's all so weird, and then just lets it all happen again, every time. The weakness is profoundly unattractive. I am, however, completely dependent on DH at the moment.

What should DH say to PIL when he tells them about our trip?

My idea below:

"Dear PIL, we're visiting your city, however it is to help SoTired's parents because her father has had a stroke. We will be spending a very large amount of time on helping her mother and visiting her father, and it will be on an unpredictable schedule. We will not be able to visit you every day, so please don't request visits every day or even every second day."

...will undoubtedly result in a viciously demanding phonecall from FIL to which DH acquiesces.

OP posts:
Lexibletheflexible · 26/09/2026 11:36

HollyhocksandPeons · 26/09/2026 10:27

Why do they have to know that you are going? Don't tell them. Don't create extra hassle for yourself.

Husband will want to tell his family he has he chance to see them

AshCullen1894 · 26/09/2026 11:41

You are describing an abusive situation.

SaltyCara · 26/09/2026 12:30

"Steve, I know that you are afraid of your parents. Your father is a bully and your mother is manipulative; the way that they treat you is absolutely not OK. I know that you have complicated and conflicted feelings about it all, but at this point I am not sure how to help you. I have suggested counselling which you have refused. I have pointed out that there is no need for you to tell them we are coming; that this whole issue could be avoided during this visit.

"My focus, and I hope your focus, currently is supporting my mum and dad. That's my priority, and I hope it's yours. Let's make decisions based on whether they align with our priorities and help us maintain our focus."

096ghkk · 26/09/2026 13:47

However, to play devils advocate her ewhen it comes to PIL....they are erhaps ND as is their son hence the grandkid being neurodiverse. The grandparents see their DIL keeping her child at home, having taken him permanently out of school, because of germs and general unhappiness. She now says he has more allergies - which aren't deadly and seems quite health anxious and is unhappy about the seeing their son and grandchild. The child himself is quite OCD and fearful of things.

Now am not in any way saying this is how things are. However, both sides seem rather inflexible and somewhat complex. Yes, one story is that Dh and his family are abusive, the other is they are all ND and can't successfully manage dynamics between the four vectors - child, PIL, Op and her husband.

Sulgari · 26/09/2026 17:22

I don’t think it’s the DH and his family who are the problem here

RLou27 · 26/09/2026 18:24

Honestly I never understand posts like this. 3 easy options. 1. Don't tell PIL that you are going at all would be easiest. 2. Tell them your going solely to care for/help your parents and will not be visiting then ignore any further messages or calls from them if they start being demanding/obnoxious. 3. Stand up for yourself, your all adults. They can take a huff all they want you do t have to put up with it

BeWittyRobin · 26/09/2026 18:40

I would have him message this

Hi Mum/Dad, just wanted to let you know we’ll be in [city] from [dates]. The main reason for the trip is to help [name]’s mum following her dad’s stroke, so we’re going to be spending quite a lot of time helping her and visiting him. We don’t really know what each day is going to look like yet, so we won’t be able to make lots of plans in advance, but we’d really like to arrange a time to see you while we’re there. Once we know a little more about what’s happening, we’ll sort something out with you. xx

FinallyHere · 26/09/2026 20:15

It’s such a MN cliche but what you have is a DH problem, if as you describe he is incapable of saying no to his parents.

you need him to drive or just possibly find taxis, don’t you. How can he not say no to parents without letting you down?

Ireallywantadoughnut36 · 26/09/2026 21:55

This is a dh issue, he is an adult and needs to learn to say no to them (he might need some professional therapy to manage that). You shouldn't need to draft messages or speeches for him, and whatever you say won't actually work until he is able to cope with their disappointment and anger with him.
In this situation, don't even tell them you are there. Going forward, talk to your dh about how he manages this going forward and what support he needs, because there will be many times when you or your son need to be his only priority and you need to be able to trust him and his ability to put you both first, above his parents wishes.

dreamingofgoodhair · 27/09/2026 02:15

I don’t know why you’re not going ballistic at your husband ?
I’ve never heard anything like it , you have to sit in a coffee shop because you’re not invited to the PIL’s??
They actually ignore you when you’re there ?

There is no way I would put up with that.
Your husband sounds like a wet lettuce.

HappyMeal564 · 27/09/2026 07:04

I feel sorry for your son. Bullied by his grandparents and father, bullied out of school. I don't know how you do it but you need to find a way out of this for him. This doesn't sound ok

DoloresDelEriba · 27/09/2026 07:32

You need to leave your husband and enrol your son into school.
Maybe move in with your parents.
Get some therapy for yourself and learn to drive.
There. Sorted.

Your husband will never change.

Humblebumbley · 27/09/2026 08:11

Sorry you’re in such an awful position but there is nothing you can say or get your husband to say that will make any difference at all, if he doesn’t stick to it in the follow up conversation.

What happens if you refuse for you and DS to visit them? What if you don’t back down?

ShaeBella25 · 27/09/2026 08:27

Learn to drive, then tell DH to strap on a pair of bollocks and set up some serious boundaries with his parents.

If that doesn’t work at least you can drive far away from him and that shitshow of a family dynamic.

CJ50Mum · 27/09/2026 08:27

SoTiredSoTiredSoTired · 26/09/2026 06:23

@Potooooooooes yes, correct.

@Lexibletheflexible DS is 9, is obsessive about not passing on germs, and is quiet and well behaved, so woul dhappily sit reading a book or partaking in adult conversation. The difficulty here is (1) I can't drive there, DH can; and (2) I don't want DS spending time alone with PIL. There is a lot of background and I don't trust them. DH will always do as directed by FIL, so if FIL wants to give MIL alone time with DS, e.g. where she deliberately feeds DS foods he's allergic to, DH will let that happen. Thus I will go to visit PIL too, even though they refuse to have anything to do with me and treat me like a nanny.

All those saying "don't tell PIL you're going".... DH won't do that. He's too beaten into the ground by FIL.

Your MIL feeds your son food he's allergic to & your husband let's him?!

CJ50Mum · 27/09/2026 08:34

Harrumphhhh · 26/09/2026 07:55

The whole trip sounds disastrous to be honest. There are too many factors at play. Too many differing priorities, unresolved conflict, complex relationships. None of them are going to get sorted at a highly emotional time when your dad has just had a stroke.

If you take the trip back to its absolute simplest: you want to help your mum and dad.

Are you able to focus on that, just for the week? Instead of all three of you going, leave DS and DH at home and use the money you would have spent on three flights on an Airbnb close to the rehab for you and mum. Spend the whole week devoted to her and your dad.

Afterwards, THEN start on the DH problem.

This sounds sensible! I fear any other option will cause extra stress on the OP's mum& not actually help. When u factor in all the driving, renting an air bnb would probably work out cheaper

OrbitingEarth · 27/09/2026 08:58

As others have said you need to not let your DH take your son with him when he visits his parents, this is not just your DH problem, you can message your in-laws yourself you know, get bolder, and angrier.
If you divorce you will have absolutely no control over what happens when your son is with his dad.

FlatWhiteExtraHot · 27/09/2026 09:11

Happytaytos · 26/09/2026 07:25

So many red flags.

Your DS is being raised in a mess of an environment. He's been 'bullied' out of school so has no contact with peers. You describe his behaviours as obsessive re germs, at 9 that's well outside the bounds of normal. He is witnessing his father's awful relationship with his parents. You can't drive. Poor kid.

Being unable to drive doesn’t make someone a bad mother for fucks sake.

I and many others have managed to raise happy, well adjusted, gainfully employed children to adulthood without ever getting behind the wheel of a car 🙄.

Sulgari · 27/09/2026 09:22

But demanding that someone else drives you is not great @FlatWhiteExtraHot and going to help with driving when one doesn’t drive seems unreasonable

Very different

gardenflowergirl · 27/09/2026 10:02

Why tell PIL you'll be in town in the first place if you know this is going to happen.
Just don't tell them.
Visit them the day before you're returning home as a surprise, or not if you think it will be more trouble.

Phoenixfire1988 · 27/09/2026 12:00

SoTiredSoTiredSoTired · 26/09/2026 06:23

@Potooooooooes yes, correct.

@Lexibletheflexible DS is 9, is obsessive about not passing on germs, and is quiet and well behaved, so woul dhappily sit reading a book or partaking in adult conversation. The difficulty here is (1) I can't drive there, DH can; and (2) I don't want DS spending time alone with PIL. There is a lot of background and I don't trust them. DH will always do as directed by FIL, so if FIL wants to give MIL alone time with DS, e.g. where she deliberately feeds DS foods he's allergic to, DH will let that happen. Thus I will go to visit PIL too, even though they refuse to have anything to do with me and treat me like a nanny.

All those saying "don't tell PIL you're going".... DH won't do that. He's too beaten into the ground by FIL.

So you are telling me your dh will put your childs life at actual risk just so he doesn't upset his parents ? Dear christ why are you married to this wetwipe?
You tell your husband its you and his child or his bloody parents if he doesn't start protecting his child you will divorce him , even go as far as to have a divorce letter drawn up if you have to it may be the scare he needs to stop being such a walk over if he realises he is going to lose his family .
Grow a backbone !!

Doone22 · 27/09/2026 12:20

I'd just say yes to everything then on day of just sorry we couldn't manage to fit it in after all. We'll make it up to you next time. Then just turn phone off

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 27/09/2026 13:18

Christ, how have you restrained yourself from marching in to PiLs, sitting down, putting your shoes on the sofa and saying "wotcha, me old mates, get me a beer"?

Or just helping yourself?

Fuck me they are appalling.

Lady, read Toxic In Laws by Susan Forward pronto. Like, now.

And keep in mind that if you do what you've always done, you'll get what you always get. There's never a truer phrase.

You have an appalling battle on your hands and Im sorry, but youre going to have to develop a spine of steel and some cunning. For your son's sake, if not your own.

AudHvamm · 27/09/2026 14:56

Lexibletheflexible · 26/09/2026 11:36

Sounds more like huabsnd just wants to see his family to me. He just doesnt want to incur OP's wrath for admitting it.

Hi Lexible, you're back! You didn't address my questions about your now deleted comment, why have you decided op is controlling, toxic and wrathful?

ForGreyGoose · 27/09/2026 17:52

I can't believe what I have just read. How can your husband allow you to be treated like that ? Why do you allow it and allow your son to be fed food he's allergic to to keep the peace. I can't even believe this is real. Your husband is damaging both his relationships with you and your son and you're allowing it. Why on earth would you even be in contact with these people and why on earth would your pathetic sounding husband tell them about the visit. All sounds despicable. You don't need help wording a response, you need to cut these vile people out of your life. You both sound as if you value your lives so little to allowed to be treated so disgustingly.