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Why is it seen as “wrong” on MN to want a relationship?

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Sunshine231 · 11/09/2026 19:17

I’ve noticed on threads on here that it is seen as really bad to admit to wanting a relationship. Being happy as a single person seems to be pushed as the holy grail. Why is that? Aren’t human beings biologically wired to be with someone? We are literally programmed to dislike being alone. So why is it so shamed when someone admits that they don’t like being alone?

For context I am not long out of a bad relationship and NOT looking for another relationship, before anyone jumps at me. But I can’t deny that the thought of being single forever doesn’t exactly fill me with joy. Clearly I’m wrong for feeling that way but I don’t feel like it’s a choice and maybe some people just don’t enjoy being single??

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Tobacco · 12/09/2026 19:25

SideEyeClyde · 12/09/2026 10:07

In terms of outcomes for children statistically in order of best to worst it goes 1) children raised by both parents in a happy relationship 2) children raised by co-parents who are amicable 3) children raised by single parents 4) children who live with step parents in stable relationships 5) children raised by loving extended family members 6) children raised by both parents but in an unhappy relationship 7) children raised in blended families 8) children whose parents have multiple unstable cohabiting relationships 9) children raised in state care.

It’s not divorce that damages children, it’s animosity between the parents, or being forced to live with unrelated adults with whom the parents start mew relationships (this poses the greatest risk of unhappiness and abuse overall), or ongoing instability caused by parents having multiple relationships in which the children are involved.

Obviously if someone’s been your partner for years they will know your children. The problem is many people doing that much too fast, and above all people moving in with their new partners and - although many kid themselves - this is almost always negative for the children. Even worse if new children with the new partner are involved and/ or they are also forced to live with the partner’s unrelated children. That’s not necessary because you can have a long-term relationship without living with someone!

The state care having the worst outcomes is tragic and shouldn’t be that way: with a decent system like in Denmark, for example, children in care have outcomes equivalent to those living with their parents. We just don’t fund it properly which is appalling.

Interesting. I've experienced

  1. Before dh died.
  2. After I was widowed and 6) My parents

My experience of which was better agrees with your list. Yes, losing dh was devastating, but we were able to get back to being a happy family in time.
6 was just hell 😱

localnotail · 12/09/2026 19:46

Oh dear - well, keep chasing that dream, and good luck with it.

Dracolina · 12/09/2026 20:00

Sunshine231 · 11/09/2026 19:17

I’ve noticed on threads on here that it is seen as really bad to admit to wanting a relationship. Being happy as a single person seems to be pushed as the holy grail. Why is that? Aren’t human beings biologically wired to be with someone? We are literally programmed to dislike being alone. So why is it so shamed when someone admits that they don’t like being alone?

For context I am not long out of a bad relationship and NOT looking for another relationship, before anyone jumps at me. But I can’t deny that the thought of being single forever doesn’t exactly fill me with joy. Clearly I’m wrong for feeling that way but I don’t feel like it’s a choice and maybe some people just don’t enjoy being single??

I don't agree with you at all. Singlehood has never ever been pushed as the holy grail, and it isn't now, either. What IS being pushed is not wasting time on toxic relationship just for the sake of being able to say you're in a relationship + delude yourself into believing you have a partner (even though they are more of a mannequin in your life than a partner). I think people don't really give a shit that someone wants a relationship - but when people act desperate out of their want for a relationship, their inability to be alone or to be patient for the right person...that's what most of us think is bad. Really bad.

FunPartyIdeas · 12/09/2026 20:04

@Sunshine231 I guess a lot of it depends on the "quality" of the parent/s here; step or bio?

FunPartyIdeas · 12/09/2026 20:05

I think also some people want a partner for the £ aspect?

Sunshine231 · 12/09/2026 20:19

FunPartyIdeas · 12/09/2026 20:04

@Sunshine231 I guess a lot of it depends on the "quality" of the parent/s here; step or bio?

Absolutely but that would presumably be quite difficult to measure in a study. The research into this topic seems to be marred by bias and the sheer number of variables and confounding factors which are very difficult to control for. That’s why I asked if PP had any links to the research they are citing. They mentioned that the research shows consistently bad outcomes for children from blended families and those with step parents but from what I’ve seen, there is absolutely nothing consistent about the body of research on family dynamics and child outcomes. The only consistent conclusion I could see was that children from households with both biological parents and no abuse have the best outcomes

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Tobacco · 12/09/2026 20:23

Tobacco · 12/09/2026 19:25

Interesting. I've experienced

  1. Before dh died.
  2. After I was widowed and 6) My parents

My experience of which was better agrees with your list. Yes, losing dh was devastating, but we were able to get back to being a happy family in time.
6 was just hell 😱

Edited

Sorry, should be 3) After I was widowed

Sunshine231 · 12/09/2026 21:15

localnotail · 12/09/2026 19:46

Oh dear - well, keep chasing that dream, and good luck with it.

Sorry what dream is that???

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Two2ToToo · 12/09/2026 21:29

Fascinating to see some of the overly defensive comments on this.

It’s common sense that children thrive best in a household that has both bio parents. It’s also common sense that a tumultuous household with both bio parents isn’t good. Being single after a terrible relationship is better for children and parents in my opinion.

At some point a new relationship might develop but let’s be clear, introducing new partners to existing children is so stressful for them. It’s just horrible whatever way you look at it. Your partner may turn out to be an excellent step parent but those kids absolutely didn’t want that new person or dynamic to start with. Let’s be honest about it.

So we can argue that things worked out for the best in the end, but the truth is, its a selfish decision to start with to bring a new partners into children’s lives.

Lexibletheflexible · 12/09/2026 21:39

SideEyeClyde · 12/09/2026 13:14

Oh come on, are you seriously trying to pretend people posting on threads is comparable to the environment between people being held together against their will in a prison 24/7?! That’s before we even consider the extreme difference in demographic per the statistics I posted earlier which mean it is nonsense to extrapolate behavioural norms from one population to the other: people end up in prison is precisely because their behaviour is significantly outside of acceptable social norms to which the rest of the population adheres.

Edited

Yes, people often show the type of toxic traits that I saw in prisoners ie other criminals. Especially the tendency to want to keep other people down and general emotional exploitation where people show vulnerability

FunPartyIdeas · 12/09/2026 22:09

@Two2ToToo OK then. So I left an abusive and coercively controlling marriage in my early 30s; ex-husband took me to court many times re custody and it ended up 50/50.
But, according to you, after finding a strength I'd never thought I'd have to, and getting my life/our lives back on track, it was unreasonable of me to eventually look for love (and to be loved for, in fact, the first ever time in my life)?

Sunshine231 · 12/09/2026 22:58

Two2ToToo · 12/09/2026 21:29

Fascinating to see some of the overly defensive comments on this.

It’s common sense that children thrive best in a household that has both bio parents. It’s also common sense that a tumultuous household with both bio parents isn’t good. Being single after a terrible relationship is better for children and parents in my opinion.

At some point a new relationship might develop but let’s be clear, introducing new partners to existing children is so stressful for them. It’s just horrible whatever way you look at it. Your partner may turn out to be an excellent step parent but those kids absolutely didn’t want that new person or dynamic to start with. Let’s be honest about it.

So we can argue that things worked out for the best in the end, but the truth is, its a selfish decision to start with to bring a new partners into children’s lives.

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I agree that some people are better staying single and not involving a new person in their kids lives but that doesn’t mean they have to enjoy being single. I believe I am one of those people as I don’t think I would be able to trust my judgement to pick the right person and the stakes are too high (my kids lives).

However I also think there are people such as the PP who are better equipped than me to find a suitable partner and therefore can create a stable life for their kids with that person. It might be your opinion that outcomes are always worse for kids with step parents vs single parents but the research doesn’t actually seem to show that. Although as I said before, it is not an easy thing to study and the available research is limited by the multitude of confounding factors that affect child outcomes

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Two2ToToo · 12/09/2026 23:53

FunPartyIdeas · 12/09/2026 22:09

@Two2ToToo OK then. So I left an abusive and coercively controlling marriage in my early 30s; ex-husband took me to court many times re custody and it ended up 50/50.
But, according to you, after finding a strength I'd never thought I'd have to, and getting my life/our lives back on track, it was unreasonable of me to eventually look for love (and to be loved for, in fact, the first ever time in my life)?

Edited

You missed my point entirely.

itsnotalwaysthateasy · 13/09/2026 00:01

You do you.
The concering aspect is that you care what other people think. NEVER do that, do what is right for you.

Two2ToToo · 13/09/2026 00:08

Sunshine231 · 12/09/2026 22:58

I agree that some people are better staying single and not involving a new person in their kids lives but that doesn’t mean they have to enjoy being single. I believe I am one of those people as I don’t think I would be able to trust my judgement to pick the right person and the stakes are too high (my kids lives).

However I also think there are people such as the PP who are better equipped than me to find a suitable partner and therefore can create a stable life for their kids with that person. It might be your opinion that outcomes are always worse for kids with step parents vs single parents but the research doesn’t actually seem to show that. Although as I said before, it is not an easy thing to study and the available research is limited by the multitude of confounding factors that affect child outcomes

I think your level of self awareness is
to be praised.

No, it’s not my opinion that children from step parent households have worse outcomes than single parent households, that’s never been my contention.

I think a stable, happy household is paramount.

My point is, it’s a selfish decision to bring a new partner into a broken family. That new partner might become the best thing in the children’s lives, but the children would not have wanted or enjoyed the initial meet and greet, the awkwardness, the meshing and so on. The kids didn’t ask for that.

So it makes sense that some pp are being overly defensive because they don’t want to accept or maybe haven’t even considered that their choice was selfish, one their children wouldn’t have wanted initially or even currently.

GetBernie · 13/09/2026 05:19

Sunshine231 · 12/09/2026 07:50

Just from observing on these threads though, anything short of 10+ years seems to be seen as “too soon”. I just don’t get why people think after a decade you’ll be automatically healed and you’ll never make a mistake with a relationship again. Some women might get intensive therapy and be “healed” after a year. Surely healing isn’t a linear, one fits all thing?

And I didn’t realise there was so much hate for blended families but that comment has come up multiple times on this thread. What is wrong with blended families? I have friends who are part of blended families and are really happy, the kids are happy. One friend for example who has just celebrated her 10th wedding anniversary who had a child when they met and her partner had 2 children. The kids see each other as siblings and my friend even gets on well with the mum of her step kids. As far as I can see they are all much happier than when she was on her own 🤷‍♀️

Just for a disclaimer: I am in no way shape or form considering starting a blended family now or at any point in the future. I’m just trying to understand why they are vilified so much

You think the kids are happy because your friends are happy so they tell themselves and everyone else that the kids are happy. Very frequently the kids are not happy but the adults are often in complete denial about that.

Blending families is risky and complicated. Sometimes it works out great, often it doesn't. People don't vilify the whole concept of blended families themselves. They vilify the people who make the decision to move in with a new partner with children far too quickly, or to uproot their children from everything they know and move them to new areas for a new man/woman, without thinking through the potentially damaging consequences, just because they want what they want for themselves and don't consider how it affects the whole family.

Lexibletheflexible · 13/09/2026 07:43

GetBernie · 13/09/2026 05:19

You think the kids are happy because your friends are happy so they tell themselves and everyone else that the kids are happy. Very frequently the kids are not happy but the adults are often in complete denial about that.

Blending families is risky and complicated. Sometimes it works out great, often it doesn't. People don't vilify the whole concept of blended families themselves. They vilify the people who make the decision to move in with a new partner with children far too quickly, or to uproot their children from everything they know and move them to new areas for a new man/woman, without thinking through the potentially damaging consequences, just because they want what they want for themselves and don't consider how it affects the whole family.

Edited

We know the kids are happy in the blended families we speak of due to their relationship with their stepparent(s).

The problem with moving a kid away from their family and friends exists even when they move with both bio parents. One of my friends did that when her daughter was 14. Daughter is now 18 and doesn't speak to her or her bio dad because she resents what her parents decided for her and feels it messed up her education and friendships.

cloudtreecarpet · 13/09/2026 07:56

Lexibletheflexible · 13/09/2026 07:43

We know the kids are happy in the blended families we speak of due to their relationship with their stepparent(s).

The problem with moving a kid away from their family and friends exists even when they move with both bio parents. One of my friends did that when her daughter was 14. Daughter is now 18 and doesn't speak to her or her bio dad because she resents what her parents decided for her and feels it messed up her education and friendships.

Goodness me, doesn't speak to her parents because she had to move?
Sounds very entitled or is there more to the story?
Sometimes families have to move for work or similar, it's annoying for children but not the end of the world and surely not enough to ruin the parent/child relationship?

localnotail · 13/09/2026 07:57

Sunshine231 · 12/09/2026 21:15

Sorry what dream is that???

Of meeting someone who will magically make you happy.

Lexibletheflexible · 13/09/2026 07:59

cloudtreecarpet · 13/09/2026 07:56

Goodness me, doesn't speak to her parents because she had to move?
Sounds very entitled or is there more to the story?
Sometimes families have to move for work or similar, it's annoying for children but not the end of the world and surely not enough to ruin the parent/child relationship?

Edited

She moved in the middle of secondary school to an area she didnt know with nobody she knew around her because her parents wanted to be homeowners. Her academic attainment dropped significantly. She never found a decent place to pursue her hobby and she never really made a firm friend. She feels as if they ruined her young life.

hellomellow · 13/09/2026 08:08

I agree. It's 'weak' on MN to want to be in a relationship and God forbid if you have kids and your relationship doesn't work out - forming a new relationship with someone will mean 'putting a man over your kids' or 'you've only been with the new guy for 5 years, how could you have kids with him' comments.

The toxicity here can be overwhelming if you aren't able to separate MN from every day life. I would hazard a guess that most of these comments are from people who have nothing better to do than bully others and kick them when they're down.

Although I have gone through periods of my life in a relationship and also being single, I would say each situation has pros and cons.

Chattergpt · 13/09/2026 08:30

Sunshine231 · 11/09/2026 19:17

I’ve noticed on threads on here that it is seen as really bad to admit to wanting a relationship. Being happy as a single person seems to be pushed as the holy grail. Why is that? Aren’t human beings biologically wired to be with someone? We are literally programmed to dislike being alone. So why is it so shamed when someone admits that they don’t like being alone?

For context I am not long out of a bad relationship and NOT looking for another relationship, before anyone jumps at me. But I can’t deny that the thought of being single forever doesn’t exactly fill me with joy. Clearly I’m wrong for feeling that way but I don’t feel like it’s a choice and maybe some people just don’t enjoy being single??

I haven't read all the thread. Its to much for my brain to take in.

I have found it the opposite theres often an. assumption that your married or have a long term partner. I have seen alot of comments like can your partner help. Your partner should be helping. What does your partner say about this. Or if the mum is having problems with their teenager especially if its a male teenager trying his male dominance people will say get his father to deal with him.

I may be talking complete shit here its just my feeling. But I do feel like if your single its looked down on. Especially if you have children. Its not shouted out loudly but I feel like it's there.

I feel like theres that expectation date buy a house get married have children.

FunPartyIdeas · 13/09/2026 09:00

@localnotail it worked for me?
I left a coercively controlling marriage and then some years later decided to (very tentatively) start dating again.
I made it clear from the get go I didn't want a man with children and I already had two of my own, and that my sons would always be my priority.
My now husband was the only other man except my ex-husband my children ever met.
We've been together about 10 years and married for almost 5 ❤️

localnotail · 13/09/2026 10:22

FunPartyIdeas · 13/09/2026 09:00

@localnotail it worked for me?
I left a coercively controlling marriage and then some years later decided to (very tentatively) start dating again.
I made it clear from the get go I didn't want a man with children and I already had two of my own, and that my sons would always be my priority.
My now husband was the only other man except my ex-husband my children ever met.
We've been together about 10 years and married for almost 5 ❤️

I'm glad you are happy but I'm not sure what you are referring to - if it is about blended family - your family is not "blended", you just found a very good stepdad for your kids, and also very wisely did not have any more. Its a different thing entirely.

FunPartyIdeas · 13/09/2026 13:59

@localnotail I did find a great stepdad and role model to my sons - one of the best decisions I ever made. We did have a child together in the end as I saw what a brilliant dad he would be. She is most definitely his last, however!
Her much older brothers adore her (one at uni now, other will also be at uni before too long).
Very settled 😊

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