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He says I am not single, but will not see me

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evh1978 · 18/07/2026 07:17

I met a man two years ago through a mutual friend. We became good friends very quickly and, because of the circumstances at the time, spent most of that summer seeing each other as friends almost every day.
I was in the middle of a very dark period of my life, with a huge amount of change and emotional upheaval. I freely acknowledge that it was probably the worst period of my life. I was about as far away from the real me as I could possibly have been when he met me.
At the end of the summer, I returned to where I lived and slowly had to start rebuilding my life.
He was there.
Every day.
Phone calls. WhatsApp messages.
He was always very practically minded. He never let me wallow in the emotion of it all. He would call to see whether I had showered. Over time, as I rebuilt, he helped me find the tools I needed to rebuild my life rather than trying to do it for me.
I had been through things that left me with significant trauma and a profound loss of trust. I had stopped trusting almost everyone. He knew the full extent of what had happened and had been one of the very few people I allowed close to me.
I am a highly expressive and emotional person. I feel my way through life using emotions and language. I think in long form. I analyse everything.
I am also, I think, highly emotionally intelligent. I am very attuned to my own emotions and to the emotions of other people. I can usually see what is happening underneath a conversation, and I tend to want to talk about it.
He is almost the opposite.
He is pragmatic, grounded and emotionally contained. He tends to look at a problem and ask what can be done about it. I tend to want to understand what it means, why it happened and what is happening underneath it.
He also struggles with my emotionality. He frequently criticises the way I feel things or the intensity with which I express them. He has told me that he hates feeling responsible for other people's feelings.
I have tried to explain to him that there is a difference between being responsible for somebody else's feelings and being responsible for the impact of our behaviour on someone we are in an intimate relationship with.
We do not get to behave however we like and then say that someone else's feelings are entirely their own problem.
He has been married twice. From what he has told me, both marriages involved him being emotionally distant and unavailable in ways he now recognises. He has described himself as someone who has historically struggled with emotional intimacy.
I have wondered whether he has an avoidant attachment style, although I am very aware that people are far too fond of diagnosing everyone as avoidant simply because they don't behave in the way we want them to.
What makes him difficult to understand is that he is not generally distant from me.
In fact, the opposite is true.
He is extraordinarily present in my life. He talks to me constantly. He is often the first and last person I speak to in a day. He will spend hours talking to me. He has been there through some of the most difficult things I have ever experienced.
So I don't think the simple explanation is that he is an emotionally unavailable man who doesn't want intimacy.
He seems to want an enormous amount of intimacy with me.
The difficulty appears to be that he is much more comfortable with intimacy when it remains within certain boundaries that he controls.
He can be deeply emotionally connected to me through conversation. He can be intensely sexually intimate with me remotely. He can be incredibly present and involved in my daily life.
But real-life romantic intimacy seems to activate something different in him.
That is the contradiction I cannot resolve.
We became extremely close, although after that summer our friendship was conducted almost entirely over the phone and WhatsApp.
The few short relationships I tried during that period all had one undercurrent of a problem: the man I was seeing would eventually feel threatened by my friendship with him.
Not because they were insecure men, necessarily. But because of how heavily I lean on my friend and how present he is and was in my day-to-day life.
One of these short relationships was with a man who lived overseas. I would fly to see him regularly. But my friend was the person I would text:
Let me know you've landed.
I've landed safely.
I'm in an Uber now.
I recognise that this is probably backwards.
Anyway, fast forward to the start of this year.
I was finally in a better place. Not fixed or healed, but definitely further forward.
There has always been a level of chemistry and attraction between us, but it had never been acted upon.
Earlier this year, however, he started to drive our relationship in that direction.
I followed.
In trust.
We ended up becoming very sexually intimate remotely, through phone calls, WhatsApp and video calls. Every day. Our level of contact grew even more. I did the maths once. We averaged around 300 messages a day.
Every day.
Plus phone calls.
Plus video calls.
Plus the sexual intimacy.
I had known him for two years by this point. I trusted him more than I trusted almost anyone. I had allowed myself to become emotionally and sexually intimate with the person who had been the safest and most constant person in my life.
And, inevitably, I fell in love with him.
Naturally, I asked him what we now were.
We were both scared of losing the friendship. It was agreed that we weren't friends with benefits. It was agreed that we weren't just friends.
For all intents and purposes, we were in a relationship.
But he struggled immensely with that title.
I was at a work event once and met a man there. We got on very well. He asked for my number and asked whether I was single.
I honestly didn't know what to say.
So I told my friend that night what had happened.
There is something else that is important to understand about this relationship: there is an extraordinary amount of honesty between us. Probably more from me. He is much more guarded, although he has opened up considerably over time.
He has more insight into my day-to-day life than I have into his.
Anyway, I asked him:
Am I single?
Eventually, he said no.
But it was a very begrudging no.
It did not come easily to him.
Seeing each other in person, however, has been a struggle.
I wanted to desperately. But he always had multiple reasons why we couldn't.
To be clear, we live around two hours apart. One motorway separates us. We both drive. He keeps an apartment in London for work purposes. I live in London.
He does have a demanding job. He is a single parent. He has complicated circumstances involving his parents' health and a dog. But he co-parents well with his son's mother and, while his logistics are undoubtedly complicated, I would not say they are more complicated than those of an average 53-year-old man with a demanding life.
For context, he has never had a fling or a one-night stand. He has only ever been with a relatively small number of women, all in serious, long-term relationships.
He struggles deeply with emotional intimacy.
So we coasted along for a while, but inevitably I started asking why he wouldn't see me.
I had been immensely vulnerable with him sexually, digitally, but I was increasingly scared that I was simply a digital plaything.
I had never agreed to that.
I repeatedly told him that I would not have entered into the sexual side of our relationship if I believed it was going to remain purely digital. I was very clear that, for me, it was heading towards a relationship that existed in real life.
He repeatedly reassured me that I wasn't a digital plaything.
He told me that he wanted to translate what we had into real life.
But we have met once.
In all this time, we have met once: one afternoon at his flat in London, where he was still working.
We had lunch.
We did not have sex.
It was incredibly confusing for me.
We made a plan to meet the following week.
He cancelled.
We made another plan for the week after.
He cancelled that too.
I have repeatedly tried to ask him, calmly and directly, what he actually wants.
I have not demanded declarations of undying love or issued ultimatums. I have tried to ask for clarity in what I believe are kind and healthy ways.
But whenever I ask for clarity, he becomes defensive and shuts down. I end up frustrated, and then the conversation becomes about my frustration rather than the question I originally asked.
I have also tried giving him space, hoping that if I stopped asking and allowed him room, he would come towards me himself with some clarity.
That doesn't work either.
I have told him explicitly that I do not do well living in confusion. I have told him that if he is not able to be in a relationship with me, I would rather know.
I have given him repeated opportunities, with dignity and without drama, to walk away.
I have said, in essence: if this is not what you want, you can tell me. I will be hurt, but I would rather have the truth than continue living in ambiguity.
He has always stayed.
He has told me he will never leave me.
But I have also told him that, now that our friendship has crossed into what it is, I will never be able to return to simply being friends.
I love him too deeply.
The contradiction is that he tells me he cannot commit, but also tells me that I am not single and that he will never leave me.
He tells me he wasn't ready for a relationship, but that I came along and changed things for him.
He tells me he cannot give me a relationship, but does not want to lose me.
He wants the emotional and sexual intimacy of what we have, but becomes defensive when I ask what it actually means.
He is, in many ways, a walking contradiction.
And I have reached the point where I don't know whether I am being compassionate towards somebody who is genuinely frightened and emotionally limited, or whether I am allowing somebody to keep me in a situation that is profoundly painful because I love him.
This is not, in my view, a love-language issue.
If he were a man I had met on Bumble and this were the beginning of our relationship, I would be running a mile in the other direction.
I would probably be warning every other woman I knew to stay away.
The difficulty is that he is not a man I met on Bumble.
He is the man who was there when I was at the lowest point in my life.
He is the man who helped me rebuild.
He is the person I have spoken to every day for two years.
He is the person I trusted enough to become vulnerable with.
He is also the person who now seems unable or unwilling to give me clarity about the relationship he helped create.
On his most recent cancellation of our plans, I asked him to propose another day.
He point-blank refused.
I found this incredibly difficult. My position was that, in my experience, when you cancel plans with someone, you apologise and propose an alternative if you actually want to see them.
He did not.
When I explained why I found that hurtful and confusing, he called me controlling.
That was a significant moment for me.
I do not believe that asking somebody who has cancelled plans to suggest another day is controlling.
I believe it is a normal expectation of somebody who wants to maintain a relationship.
I am now in a period of no contact with him because I simply could not tolerate the ambiguity and the repeated disrespect of my time any longer.
I love him deeply. On many levels.
And if I am brutally honest, I wonder whether the intensity of my attachment to him is partly a consequence of the role he played in helping me survive and rebuild.
He was there when I was at my lowest.
He became the person I trusted most.
He became part of my daily life and my emotional world.
That makes walking away extraordinarily difficult.
Leaving him and walking away from everything we have would cause me significant emotional damage.
Given everything I have already been through, that is not a prospect I am taking lightly.
But I also cannot see a way forward.
And I am now beginning to wonder whether he ever actually intended to make this relationship physical.
Perhaps he genuinely meant it whenever he said he wanted to.
Perhaps he believed he would eventually be able to do it.
Perhaps he loves me in whatever way he is capable of loving somebody.
But perhaps, in practical terms, he has created a relationship that gives him almost everything he wants while allowing him to avoid the one thing I need.
A relationship that exists in reality.
So what exactly is happening here?
Am I looking at a man who genuinely loves me but is terrified of real-life intimacy?
Am I looking at a man who has created a relationship that gives him all the emotional and sexual intimacy he wants without requiring him to take the risks of a real relationship?
Am I being manipulated, even if he does not consciously intend to manipulate me?
Or am I somehow both right?
And perhaps the most difficult question is this:
If somebody genuinely loves you, but is unable or unwilling to give you the relationship you need, does the reason ultimately matter?

I am waking up every day now, and my overriding feeling is that I feel used. And defective. I feel like I am not good enough for him to want in real life and I was only ever good enough for some digital fun. But what an elaborate route to get there for him....

OP posts:
shockthemonkey · 18/07/2026 16:16

@Woodfiresareamazing2said it best… also @whippersnapper55is on the money.

When you write professionally, are you getting paid by the word? Otherwise I can’t work out how you come up with an OP like that. Sorry if that’s rude, but try thinking about condensing things down as a courtesy for those who would like to help but don’t have the time for needless verbiage.

I sincerely hope you manage to ditch him and move on. I acknowledge it will be difficult but you owe it to yourself.

evh1978 · 18/07/2026 16:19

Sausagedog101 · 18/07/2026 11:30

Yes me too. I am going through something very similar OP. (Are we experiencing the same man?!). Thanks for sharing and making me feel a bit less alone. Xx

I know it's long. Writing about yourself is very different to writing from an non emotional perspective.... I guess seeing it all written down and dumping it all out of my head has made me see it for what it is.
Most of the replies here are helpful and supportive. I'm sorry you are going through the same thing.
It is so hard to see it for what it is when you are in it.
I have no idea how I'm going to move on. But i see that I must. I hope you manage to do the same xx

OP posts:
ThingsCouldBeEasier · 18/07/2026 16:20

I'd stop contact, get off your phone and find some friends in real life. This is going nowhere.

evh1978 · 18/07/2026 16:26

Really appreciate all the support. I didn't ask for a critique of my career. I do appreciate the post is long. I'm in quite a lot of emotional difficulty and dumping it all out of my head has been therapeutic. I came for support and advice over the situation and I in no way want anyone to read something lengthy that they don't want to.
If I need career advice (which I don't, it's one area of my life that's ok)I'll obviously make a separate post but thank you for all the people that have offered support.

I don't know the how, but i do see i need to break free. Obviously being in no contact at the moment means all I have to do is stay in no contact. Whether he reaches out or not I don't know. That will be where my resolve is tested.

He's quiet so far. Which is unlike him.
The more I think on it, the more I see there might be some weight behind the married theory. I don't quite know how, but maybe when he moved last year, it was actually a move back to his wife. I don't know. My mum lives in the same village as his wife and he always did go oddly quiet when he knew I was at mums...

OP posts:
SoScarletItWas · 18/07/2026 16:31

Obviously being in no contact at the moment means all I have to do is stay in no contact. Whether he reaches out or not I don't know. That will be where my resolve is tested.

This is ridiculously passive. Take action now. Block his number on everything. Take him off any socials. No need, then, for resolve.

Woodfiresareamazing2 · 18/07/2026 16:35

SoScarletItWas · 18/07/2026 16:31

Obviously being in no contact at the moment means all I have to do is stay in no contact. Whether he reaches out or not I don't know. That will be where my resolve is tested.

This is ridiculously passive. Take action now. Block his number on everything. Take him off any socials. No need, then, for resolve.

Came to write the same thing...

Block him.

Delete his number/Insta/ whatever.

Digitally erase him.

He got you through a tough time, now he IS a tough time.

Good luck 💐

AllTheTreesOfTheField · 18/07/2026 16:35

Oh OP you're still giving him the control over your life.

I don't know the how, but i do see i need to break free. Obviously being in no contact at the moment means all I have to do is stay in no contact. Whether he reaches out or not I don't know. That will be where my resolve is tested.

Bite the bullet and text him you wish him well, but you need to move on with your real life, not be enclosed and suffocated in his digital prison, thank you and goodbye.

Then block on all platforms.

AllTheTreesOfTheField · 18/07/2026 16:41

He got you through a tough time, now he IS a tough time.

I fucking love this! a great way for OP to sum the whole messy saga up in her mind.

mommaham · 18/07/2026 16:43

He's married, telling himself he's not cheating and wanking to your conversations. You're his very own pornhub. It's in his interest to keep you hanging.

BuckChuckets · 18/07/2026 17:22

evh1978 · 18/07/2026 08:37

Hi all. I'm just going to read replies now. For clarity, I wrote it. I'm a professional a writer so do tend to get locked down in the detail. Will take the point it's long. Sorry x

In that case, you'll find it easier than most to condense it into a readable paragraph.

My answer based on your OP, though, is to say block him and move on. If he wanted to have an actual relationship with you, you'd be in one already and you'd KNOW you were in one.

Dirtyrose · 18/07/2026 17:45

Really appreciate all the support. I didn't ask for a critique of my career.

It's not a critique of your career, but rather suggesting you see this from the other side and how it's unreasonable to ask people to read that amount of text. If you do a word count on what you've written it's massive!

If you're a journalist or an author (or a copywriter) you have word counts and should be able to be concise and get the main points over a bullets.

Back to the problem- dump him.

Dirtyrose · 18/07/2026 17:50

Your first post-

You've written five A4 pages, single line spacing pt 11 font.
over 2,500 words.

That is not a post.
It's an essay!

Blondeshavemorefun · 18/07/2026 18:40

Moved in with mum ? Sounds like he is in a relationship with someone else and wanted phone sex

ignore and delete him. Hes not interested in you as a person

Sporkmaiden · 18/07/2026 19:50

whilst there was always chemistry, I'd been very happy with it just being friendship, I hadn't really considered another possibility.
I'm just so cross as I was happy when we were just friends.
There’s a lack of agency here that’s reflected in some of your other posts. You were happy as friends, he wanted to add a sexual/sexting element, and because you trusted him you went along with it…but this wasn’t something you’d even considered until he took it there.

As you’re someone who values emotional depth, why would you want to be with someone who “frequently criticises the way I feel things or the intensity with which I express them” anyway? He told you both of his marriages “involved him being emotionally distant and unavailable in ways he now recognises” and he described himself as someone who “struggles with emotional intimacy”. Personally, I’d have taken this as a warning - it certainly doesn’t seem like much has changed, does it?

I have given him repeated opportunities, with dignity and without drama, to walk away. I have said, in essence: if this is not what you want, you can tell me. I will be hurt, but I would rather have the truth than continue living in ambiguity. He has always stayed.
“He has always stayed” isn’t evidence of him wanting to be with you when absolutely everything else points to a lack of romantic interest. You seem to be desperately trying to fabricate palatable explanations (like an avoidant attachment style, a complicated home life, or difficulties with emotional intimacy) when the reality is that he’s just a selfish dickhead.
Why does he have to walk away, when you’re not happy and could make that decision for yourself?

I think I missed the bit where you explained why you’re not in contact now, but it sounds like you’re not speaking because he’s gone silent on you. Stop giving him the power to decide what happens in your life. He doesn’t deserve the courtesy of a conversation if he’s now ignoring you after stringing you along like this; just block him without saying anything. Let him find out he lost access to you when he eventually gets off his ass and realises he can’t contact you any more. You’ll feel better for taking back some control.

evh1978 · 18/07/2026 19:58

Sporkmaiden · 18/07/2026 19:50

whilst there was always chemistry, I'd been very happy with it just being friendship, I hadn't really considered another possibility.
I'm just so cross as I was happy when we were just friends.
There’s a lack of agency here that’s reflected in some of your other posts. You were happy as friends, he wanted to add a sexual/sexting element, and because you trusted him you went along with it…but this wasn’t something you’d even considered until he took it there.

As you’re someone who values emotional depth, why would you want to be with someone who “frequently criticises the way I feel things or the intensity with which I express them” anyway? He told you both of his marriages “involved him being emotionally distant and unavailable in ways he now recognises” and he described himself as someone who “struggles with emotional intimacy”. Personally, I’d have taken this as a warning - it certainly doesn’t seem like much has changed, does it?

I have given him repeated opportunities, with dignity and without drama, to walk away. I have said, in essence: if this is not what you want, you can tell me. I will be hurt, but I would rather have the truth than continue living in ambiguity. He has always stayed.
“He has always stayed” isn’t evidence of him wanting to be with you when absolutely everything else points to a lack of romantic interest. You seem to be desperately trying to fabricate palatable explanations (like an avoidant attachment style, a complicated home life, or difficulties with emotional intimacy) when the reality is that he’s just a selfish dickhead.
Why does he have to walk away, when you’re not happy and could make that decision for yourself?

I think I missed the bit where you explained why you’re not in contact now, but it sounds like you’re not speaking because he’s gone silent on you. Stop giving him the power to decide what happens in your life. He doesn’t deserve the courtesy of a conversation if he’s now ignoring you after stringing you along like this; just block him without saying anything. Let him find out he lost access to you when he eventually gets off his ass and realises he can’t contact you any more. You’ll feel better for taking back some control.

You are right. Of course. There was a lack of agency. I was at such a low point that I allowed him to lead and didn't do enough thinking around it until I did....

We aren't in contact now because the last time he cancelled on me a few days ago, something in me just sort of snapped. I told him that I was sick of being treated like that, attacked his ego a little bit, not vastly but a bit and stopped messaging. He called the next morning to check I was ok, before I had even woken up and so I answered the phone without registering properly and then that was it. Neither of us have made a move since.
I wonder if I got too close to the truth. But the general consensus today amongst you all is to not waste the brain power on the why's and wherefore's. It is solid advice.

It isn't easy though.
I think the thing that is bothering me most is he knew about the trauma that had happened just before we met. He knew the specific details. And the effect it had on me. And he chose to repeat almost exactly the same trauma, just dressed up differently.

OP posts:
mommaham · 18/07/2026 20:11

Of course they do. They see the opportunity to take advantage. Don't blame yourself - many of us have been there. That's why we recognise what's going on.

MerryUmberHedgehog · 18/07/2026 20:31

Good grief, you really do overthink things. How can you love a person "digitally". Its not real , its fake. Move on and live your life in the real world with a real man who you can see and touch. Youre in love with a concept and if it wasnt for your one meeting this sounds like one of those scams you read about and watch on netflix.

Sporkmaiden · 18/07/2026 20:51

evh1978 · 18/07/2026 19:58

You are right. Of course. There was a lack of agency. I was at such a low point that I allowed him to lead and didn't do enough thinking around it until I did....

We aren't in contact now because the last time he cancelled on me a few days ago, something in me just sort of snapped. I told him that I was sick of being treated like that, attacked his ego a little bit, not vastly but a bit and stopped messaging. He called the next morning to check I was ok, before I had even woken up and so I answered the phone without registering properly and then that was it. Neither of us have made a move since.
I wonder if I got too close to the truth. But the general consensus today amongst you all is to not waste the brain power on the why's and wherefore's. It is solid advice.

It isn't easy though.
I think the thing that is bothering me most is he knew about the trauma that had happened just before we met. He knew the specific details. And the effect it had on me. And he chose to repeat almost exactly the same trauma, just dressed up differently.

I think the thing that is bothering me most is he knew about the trauma that had happened just before we met. He knew the specific details. And the effect it had on me. And he chose to repeat almost exactly the same trauma, just dressed up differently.

Speaking from experience here: going forward, never share vulnerabilities with men you’ve only recently met - even if it seems like they’re lovely, genuinely care about you, and just want to help. There are some who only listen to gather information they can use to hurt you at a later date. (I have CPTSD too and have made that mistake: it’s brutal to have your trauma weaponised against you like that, and shocking to realise there are disgusting people who do this deliberately).

The more you share about this man the more sinister he sounds. Don’t give him any more chances OP - just get him blocked and out of your life, asap.

whatwouldlilacerullodo · 18/07/2026 20:58

I'm a lot like you, I write similar things, I'm a professional writer, I have similar stories. About these men, I realised: it doesn't matter. He may love you and be scared, he may not like you that much, he may be deep and afraid of his feelings or he may be only shallow. Doesn't matter. He can't give you enough of what you need and there's nothing you can do about it (because this is not a story you're writing. You can only control one character: you). Step back, date the other man, leave this guy to himself. Observe your feelings and honour them.
My avoidant long term FWB told me himself "you have to be more selfish with your time and focus on what you want". He was and is so right.

PeachZebra4 · 18/07/2026 21:07

evh1978 · 18/07/2026 19:58

You are right. Of course. There was a lack of agency. I was at such a low point that I allowed him to lead and didn't do enough thinking around it until I did....

We aren't in contact now because the last time he cancelled on me a few days ago, something in me just sort of snapped. I told him that I was sick of being treated like that, attacked his ego a little bit, not vastly but a bit and stopped messaging. He called the next morning to check I was ok, before I had even woken up and so I answered the phone without registering properly and then that was it. Neither of us have made a move since.
I wonder if I got too close to the truth. But the general consensus today amongst you all is to not waste the brain power on the why's and wherefore's. It is solid advice.

It isn't easy though.
I think the thing that is bothering me most is he knew about the trauma that had happened just before we met. He knew the specific details. And the effect it had on me. And he chose to repeat almost exactly the same trauma, just dressed up differently.

I've been in these kind of situations more than once. Intense mostly remote or entirely remote love affairs that felt like real relationships. I won't engage in them any more. It's all fantasy.

The last part of your post here jumped out at me because I see you giving away your agency again by blaming him. You chose to involve yourself in this kind of situation. You've chosen to let it continue. I'm not saying this to blame you, but to get you to see your pattern.

Analysing him and focusing on the story around him keeps your attention off yourself, which is where it actually needs to be. Again, I'm saying this as someone who has done the same exact thing myself.

Personally, I found that I kept seeking out or choosing or tolerating people who would bring the same kind of trauma / issues - very much abandonment-based stuff. Also, continually picking people who had similar traits - low empathy, obsessed with me at first but eventually dismissive, always selfish. So of course the outcome would always be the same and it would just keep re-traumatising me in the same areas.

You'll feel like you will never get over this person, or go a minute without thinking about them, but you will. It will happen without you realising it, but one day, might be years down the line, might be months, you'll realise that you're over it. And more importantly, you'll figure out how to avoid it in the future with the next person you meet.

An unavailable person is basically perfect when your'e going through so much that you yourself are unavailable whether or not you realise it. Sounds to me like you now actually want a real relationship and I think you're realising this definitely isn't it.

Fedup267 · 19/07/2026 03:56

@evh1978 OP I can really relate to your current situation, it’s one I am currently experiencing right now. I’m a year in from -finally having enough and blocking, to unblocking him a couple of months later as I miss the friendship, we chat for 5 hours non stop, arrange to meet, something inevitably comes up his end and he cancels then doesn’t contact me for a couple of weeks. It’s the same cycle every time. I’ve read lots of articles on avoidant attachment theory and tried to be patient / shrink myself to his needs but at the end of it all, I’m feeling worse than when I started. He was there for me through some serious mental difficulty in the past and I’ve always found it difficult to cut him off and put it down to his traumatic past but he’s never going to change. He seems happy to be vulnerable digitally but never wants to in real life, something I find baffling and isolating.

There was a previous poster who suggested thinking of another friend in the same situation or perhaps a daughter - what advise would you give them etc. I’ve been really honest with my friend in that I’ve said how he’s treated me I would have told someone else to leave it, he’s agreed and even sympathised!!! Yet I’m stuck in this cycle. I do feel I owe him something I guess and I didn’t really want to be sexting either but it always leads there. He’s even made jokes that he doesn’t mind me blocking him for a while as I “always come back” - you’d think that would put me off as it makes me feel pathetic. I did hit a nerve recently though as I called him an avoidant (in a nice way) and he got really defensive about it.

i suspect he’s got someone else even though he’s denied it when I’ve asked.

Anyway I just wanted to express solidarity , it’s really refreshing to see I’m not the only one going through this. I hope we can both come to our senses soon as this situation is making me miserable.

mumumental · 19/07/2026 04:08

Ok

Carlou · 19/07/2026 05:13

no ring...no real relationship...yup. Definitely single n ready to mingle

ItsNotMeEither · 19/07/2026 05:37

I read your whole post OP and your other replies.

The things that jumped out at me...

He either has a full family relationship going on during the weekends when he goes home and he doesn't see this as cheating, or he's got erectile dysfunction issues and that's why things are not moving forward in person.

Also, 300 messages, huge red flag, on both of you. Someone is controlling and someone is needy. If someone wanted to exchange 20 messages a day with me I'd be out.

Your writing style is really beside the point. What I will say though, reading it, I assumed you were in your 20s and 'in love, or lust' with a man who just isn't capable of loving you in a real way. Hanging off his every message, overthinking every response and allowing you to imagine a future that's just never going to happen. I did not imagine that you were older. The post about a 30 year career threw me, not because of the writing style, but because a woman with experience surely couldn't be putting up with this shit from him. Getting to the post about your past relationship and therapy helped to make that make sense. This leads me to think that you really need to get back to some sort of counselling, for your own sake. So your next relationship will be better.

To tolerate this, I can only assume it means this twat has filled some sort of void for you when you needed it to, but it won't evolve into more because he's just not willing (either because he's back with his wife on weekends or those pesky erectile issues, I'd put money on the wife though).

Either way, dump him! Get some counselling and eventually find a man who can actually be a partner, this man isn't it.

Dogsandphotography · 19/07/2026 06:23

evh1978 · 18/07/2026 07:17

I met a man two years ago through a mutual friend. We became good friends very quickly and, because of the circumstances at the time, spent most of that summer seeing each other as friends almost every day.
I was in the middle of a very dark period of my life, with a huge amount of change and emotional upheaval. I freely acknowledge that it was probably the worst period of my life. I was about as far away from the real me as I could possibly have been when he met me.
At the end of the summer, I returned to where I lived and slowly had to start rebuilding my life.
He was there.
Every day.
Phone calls. WhatsApp messages.
He was always very practically minded. He never let me wallow in the emotion of it all. He would call to see whether I had showered. Over time, as I rebuilt, he helped me find the tools I needed to rebuild my life rather than trying to do it for me.
I had been through things that left me with significant trauma and a profound loss of trust. I had stopped trusting almost everyone. He knew the full extent of what had happened and had been one of the very few people I allowed close to me.
I am a highly expressive and emotional person. I feel my way through life using emotions and language. I think in long form. I analyse everything.
I am also, I think, highly emotionally intelligent. I am very attuned to my own emotions and to the emotions of other people. I can usually see what is happening underneath a conversation, and I tend to want to talk about it.
He is almost the opposite.
He is pragmatic, grounded and emotionally contained. He tends to look at a problem and ask what can be done about it. I tend to want to understand what it means, why it happened and what is happening underneath it.
He also struggles with my emotionality. He frequently criticises the way I feel things or the intensity with which I express them. He has told me that he hates feeling responsible for other people's feelings.
I have tried to explain to him that there is a difference between being responsible for somebody else's feelings and being responsible for the impact of our behaviour on someone we are in an intimate relationship with.
We do not get to behave however we like and then say that someone else's feelings are entirely their own problem.
He has been married twice. From what he has told me, both marriages involved him being emotionally distant and unavailable in ways he now recognises. He has described himself as someone who has historically struggled with emotional intimacy.
I have wondered whether he has an avoidant attachment style, although I am very aware that people are far too fond of diagnosing everyone as avoidant simply because they don't behave in the way we want them to.
What makes him difficult to understand is that he is not generally distant from me.
In fact, the opposite is true.
He is extraordinarily present in my life. He talks to me constantly. He is often the first and last person I speak to in a day. He will spend hours talking to me. He has been there through some of the most difficult things I have ever experienced.
So I don't think the simple explanation is that he is an emotionally unavailable man who doesn't want intimacy.
He seems to want an enormous amount of intimacy with me.
The difficulty appears to be that he is much more comfortable with intimacy when it remains within certain boundaries that he controls.
He can be deeply emotionally connected to me through conversation. He can be intensely sexually intimate with me remotely. He can be incredibly present and involved in my daily life.
But real-life romantic intimacy seems to activate something different in him.
That is the contradiction I cannot resolve.
We became extremely close, although after that summer our friendship was conducted almost entirely over the phone and WhatsApp.
The few short relationships I tried during that period all had one undercurrent of a problem: the man I was seeing would eventually feel threatened by my friendship with him.
Not because they were insecure men, necessarily. But because of how heavily I lean on my friend and how present he is and was in my day-to-day life.
One of these short relationships was with a man who lived overseas. I would fly to see him regularly. But my friend was the person I would text:
Let me know you've landed.
I've landed safely.
I'm in an Uber now.
I recognise that this is probably backwards.
Anyway, fast forward to the start of this year.
I was finally in a better place. Not fixed or healed, but definitely further forward.
There has always been a level of chemistry and attraction between us, but it had never been acted upon.
Earlier this year, however, he started to drive our relationship in that direction.
I followed.
In trust.
We ended up becoming very sexually intimate remotely, through phone calls, WhatsApp and video calls. Every day. Our level of contact grew even more. I did the maths once. We averaged around 300 messages a day.
Every day.
Plus phone calls.
Plus video calls.
Plus the sexual intimacy.
I had known him for two years by this point. I trusted him more than I trusted almost anyone. I had allowed myself to become emotionally and sexually intimate with the person who had been the safest and most constant person in my life.
And, inevitably, I fell in love with him.
Naturally, I asked him what we now were.
We were both scared of losing the friendship. It was agreed that we weren't friends with benefits. It was agreed that we weren't just friends.
For all intents and purposes, we were in a relationship.
But he struggled immensely with that title.
I was at a work event once and met a man there. We got on very well. He asked for my number and asked whether I was single.
I honestly didn't know what to say.
So I told my friend that night what had happened.
There is something else that is important to understand about this relationship: there is an extraordinary amount of honesty between us. Probably more from me. He is much more guarded, although he has opened up considerably over time.
He has more insight into my day-to-day life than I have into his.
Anyway, I asked him:
Am I single?
Eventually, he said no.
But it was a very begrudging no.
It did not come easily to him.
Seeing each other in person, however, has been a struggle.
I wanted to desperately. But he always had multiple reasons why we couldn't.
To be clear, we live around two hours apart. One motorway separates us. We both drive. He keeps an apartment in London for work purposes. I live in London.
He does have a demanding job. He is a single parent. He has complicated circumstances involving his parents' health and a dog. But he co-parents well with his son's mother and, while his logistics are undoubtedly complicated, I would not say they are more complicated than those of an average 53-year-old man with a demanding life.
For context, he has never had a fling or a one-night stand. He has only ever been with a relatively small number of women, all in serious, long-term relationships.
He struggles deeply with emotional intimacy.
So we coasted along for a while, but inevitably I started asking why he wouldn't see me.
I had been immensely vulnerable with him sexually, digitally, but I was increasingly scared that I was simply a digital plaything.
I had never agreed to that.
I repeatedly told him that I would not have entered into the sexual side of our relationship if I believed it was going to remain purely digital. I was very clear that, for me, it was heading towards a relationship that existed in real life.
He repeatedly reassured me that I wasn't a digital plaything.
He told me that he wanted to translate what we had into real life.
But we have met once.
In all this time, we have met once: one afternoon at his flat in London, where he was still working.
We had lunch.
We did not have sex.
It was incredibly confusing for me.
We made a plan to meet the following week.
He cancelled.
We made another plan for the week after.
He cancelled that too.
I have repeatedly tried to ask him, calmly and directly, what he actually wants.
I have not demanded declarations of undying love or issued ultimatums. I have tried to ask for clarity in what I believe are kind and healthy ways.
But whenever I ask for clarity, he becomes defensive and shuts down. I end up frustrated, and then the conversation becomes about my frustration rather than the question I originally asked.
I have also tried giving him space, hoping that if I stopped asking and allowed him room, he would come towards me himself with some clarity.
That doesn't work either.
I have told him explicitly that I do not do well living in confusion. I have told him that if he is not able to be in a relationship with me, I would rather know.
I have given him repeated opportunities, with dignity and without drama, to walk away.
I have said, in essence: if this is not what you want, you can tell me. I will be hurt, but I would rather have the truth than continue living in ambiguity.
He has always stayed.
He has told me he will never leave me.
But I have also told him that, now that our friendship has crossed into what it is, I will never be able to return to simply being friends.
I love him too deeply.
The contradiction is that he tells me he cannot commit, but also tells me that I am not single and that he will never leave me.
He tells me he wasn't ready for a relationship, but that I came along and changed things for him.
He tells me he cannot give me a relationship, but does not want to lose me.
He wants the emotional and sexual intimacy of what we have, but becomes defensive when I ask what it actually means.
He is, in many ways, a walking contradiction.
And I have reached the point where I don't know whether I am being compassionate towards somebody who is genuinely frightened and emotionally limited, or whether I am allowing somebody to keep me in a situation that is profoundly painful because I love him.
This is not, in my view, a love-language issue.
If he were a man I had met on Bumble and this were the beginning of our relationship, I would be running a mile in the other direction.
I would probably be warning every other woman I knew to stay away.
The difficulty is that he is not a man I met on Bumble.
He is the man who was there when I was at the lowest point in my life.
He is the man who helped me rebuild.
He is the person I have spoken to every day for two years.
He is the person I trusted enough to become vulnerable with.
He is also the person who now seems unable or unwilling to give me clarity about the relationship he helped create.
On his most recent cancellation of our plans, I asked him to propose another day.
He point-blank refused.
I found this incredibly difficult. My position was that, in my experience, when you cancel plans with someone, you apologise and propose an alternative if you actually want to see them.
He did not.
When I explained why I found that hurtful and confusing, he called me controlling.
That was a significant moment for me.
I do not believe that asking somebody who has cancelled plans to suggest another day is controlling.
I believe it is a normal expectation of somebody who wants to maintain a relationship.
I am now in a period of no contact with him because I simply could not tolerate the ambiguity and the repeated disrespect of my time any longer.
I love him deeply. On many levels.
And if I am brutally honest, I wonder whether the intensity of my attachment to him is partly a consequence of the role he played in helping me survive and rebuild.
He was there when I was at my lowest.
He became the person I trusted most.
He became part of my daily life and my emotional world.
That makes walking away extraordinarily difficult.
Leaving him and walking away from everything we have would cause me significant emotional damage.
Given everything I have already been through, that is not a prospect I am taking lightly.
But I also cannot see a way forward.
And I am now beginning to wonder whether he ever actually intended to make this relationship physical.
Perhaps he genuinely meant it whenever he said he wanted to.
Perhaps he believed he would eventually be able to do it.
Perhaps he loves me in whatever way he is capable of loving somebody.
But perhaps, in practical terms, he has created a relationship that gives him almost everything he wants while allowing him to avoid the one thing I need.
A relationship that exists in reality.
So what exactly is happening here?
Am I looking at a man who genuinely loves me but is terrified of real-life intimacy?
Am I looking at a man who has created a relationship that gives him all the emotional and sexual intimacy he wants without requiring him to take the risks of a real relationship?
Am I being manipulated, even if he does not consciously intend to manipulate me?
Or am I somehow both right?
And perhaps the most difficult question is this:
If somebody genuinely loves you, but is unable or unwilling to give you the relationship you need, does the reason ultimately matter?

I am waking up every day now, and my overriding feeling is that I feel used. And defective. I feel like I am not good enough for him to want in real life and I was only ever good enough for some digital fun. But what an elaborate route to get there for him....

Well this has filled that "Baby Reindeer" hole in my life.......