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Female Dating Strategy?

119 replies

deskdreams · 03/07/2022 16:30

Has anyone looked at this website / forum / podcast? Its sort of like a female answer to red pill, pick up artist, misogyny. Its certainly seen as quite a toxic online space and the langauge about men is quite grim but at the same time after having a read and listen to what they say I think their is pertient information. I've been unlucky enough to encounter pua and players who pretty ruthlessly target women in dating apps looking for easy sex and they will say and so pretty much anything to get it and will clearly even target women they don't even like much if they think she is likely to put out or they have techniques about how to isolate women and break her so that the women will be submissive to them.

I think its potentially useful to have a guide for inexperienced women (like myself) that helps alert them to this sort of thing although I also did find the misandry and the way they evaluate men to be quite harsh. I did think it was a useful perspective though even if I wouldn't want to take it all on board.

Anyone else looked into it?

OP posts:
supercali77 · 15/07/2022 11:06

Are you young and american? If you look at what I said I used common terms like sugar baby and gold digger - you will note if you actually read it I made absolutely no moral pronouncements on that. I have NOTHING against gold diggers and sugar babies. If they want to capitalise on mens attraction to them, enormous luck and truck loads of cash to them. I have no proof a mod was one, I didnt ever claim to. I know one of the podcasts hosts was, she talked about it openly. I will not GTFO purely on your say so. People will slander FDS for numerous reasons, one will be materialism. My point was there are many different women using it with different aims. One set of women will be interested in financial advantage as well as everything else. And WHY NOT?

See i never said it was a negative thing, you did.

JustKittenAround · 15/07/2022 11:51

supercali77 · 15/07/2022 11:06

Are you young and american? If you look at what I said I used common terms like sugar baby and gold digger - you will note if you actually read it I made absolutely no moral pronouncements on that. I have NOTHING against gold diggers and sugar babies. If they want to capitalise on mens attraction to them, enormous luck and truck loads of cash to them. I have no proof a mod was one, I didnt ever claim to. I know one of the podcasts hosts was, she talked about it openly. I will not GTFO purely on your say so. People will slander FDS for numerous reasons, one will be materialism. My point was there are many different women using it with different aims. One set of women will be interested in financial advantage as well as everything else. And WHY NOT?

See i never said it was a negative thing, you did.

Ah deflection.

show me where FDS preaches materialism

show me proof of your baseless accusation of a mod being a sugar baby

waiting!

supercali77 · 15/07/2022 12:18

I did not say it preached materialism. I said there are different kinds of women who are part of the community, some of them are interested in material benefits. So if you read those posts, you might get a skewed idea.

I've literally made this same point several times but please feel free to argue against a point im not making 😂

JustKittenAround · 15/07/2022 12:47

supercali77 · 15/07/2022 12:18

I did not say it preached materialism. I said there are different kinds of women who are part of the community, some of them are interested in material benefits. So if you read those posts, you might get a skewed idea.

I've literally made this same point several times but please feel free to argue against a point im not making 😂

🤣🤣🤣🤣

You have yet to back anything you’ve said but go on and keep calling yourself out!

Literally not what FDS is about, and your baseless accusations of sugar baby mods remain unsubstantiated.

You are dishonest and frankly disappointing. One would think you’d be able to hold a thread of logic or at least proof to what you state.

Just creepy!

Tell us again with proof or GTFO! Stop deflecting and address your own unsubstantiated statements. 😆😆😆😆😆😆

JustKittenAround · 15/07/2022 12:52

you can love or hate gold digging. Still not what FDS is about sorry. Try again.

waiting for your proof of calling a mod a sugar baby

I could be from anywhere and any age @supercali77 , It doesn’t make you any less full of crap. You can’t even apologize for trying to spout shit about a mod you have no proof about that YOU brought up to say FDS was materialism driven. All your own words.

again prove your documented acquisitions and I will back off. No one is passing judgement other then to call you our for not providing proof.

STILL waiting!

JustKittenAround · 15/07/2022 12:54

*Spelling again but I’m sure you’ve got enough brain cells knocking round your gourd to get what I mean.

supercali77 · 15/07/2022 13:00

I said early on

'I've no proof whatsoever' about the mod and that it was something I read on the discord. It was also irrelevant to the point I was making. Which I've only reiterated several times.

If I said I thought she had been a corporate banker would you have kicked up as much fuss.

supercali77 · 15/07/2022 13:04

Ad hominim attacks, mmmm

GCHeretic · 15/07/2022 13:06

JustKittenAround · 13/07/2022 10:42

I have unfortunately had to learn everything that FDS tries to teach the hard way. I learned it and am happier with all the trappings of my best life.

i found FDS and was active because I don’t want anyone else to learn the hard way like me. The crap thing is I’m lucky! I learned somehow and have the life to back it up, but it’s actually luck. Many women will let men downgrade their expectations and Lee h their self worth while the chorus of pick me’s celebrate.

I am mad. Yes. I’m mad because women who are encouraged to adhere to their own standards without hurting or manipulating anyone else are equated to shitty PUA’s and intel’s.

loving yourself and embracing your own value doesn’t make a woman an incel type. It’s sexist as hell to say that.

our whole lives are pushed to cater to misogyny at the detriment to ourselves and I’m mad and I won’t pretend not to be. I want better for women. I also want to know why women having their own standards is so damn upsetting to everyone? It’s crazy.

So yes, I’ve the man, the money, the love, the ability to be alone and ALSO the memory of the times I settled or let myself be taken advantage of. I’ve never hurt or used anyone, but I’ve definitely told men to kick rocks if they weren’t treating me right.

So what has this set of techniques / attitudes netted you?

An ex blues boxer from Oxford who’s on the board of his investment bank and who loves spending time in the mountains with you in the chalet that he built by hand with trees he felled himself?

JustKittenAround · 15/07/2022 13:14

GCHeretic · 15/07/2022 13:06

So what has this set of techniques / attitudes netted you?

An ex blues boxer from Oxford who’s on the board of his investment bank and who loves spending time in the mountains with you in the chalet that he built by hand with trees he felled himself?

creepy as hell! Next you’ll want to know if I wear socks to bed! 😵

Did you read everything? You MUST be a man or very confused, Catch up dear. It’s all in the thread.

Ps even if I was alone FDS is about being OK because it’s better than managing down your self worth and expectations lol

But alas, lucky in love with someone who meets my expectations

though if you meets man in your description and date him I want ALL the details!

High expectations hurt zero people. It’s when you’re forced by society and other pressures to lower them is where the pain comes in. It’s OK to walk away from a fixer upper

JustKittenAround · 15/07/2022 13:15

Seriously all the details of this man building cabins…… 😘

GCHeretic · 15/07/2022 13:17

JustKittenAround · 15/07/2022 13:14

creepy as hell! Next you’ll want to know if I wear socks to bed! 😵

Did you read everything? You MUST be a man or very confused, Catch up dear. It’s all in the thread.

Ps even if I was alone FDS is about being OK because it’s better than managing down your self worth and expectations lol

But alas, lucky in love with someone who meets my expectations

though if you meets man in your description and date him I want ALL the details!

High expectations hurt zero people. It’s when you’re forced by society and other pressures to lower them is where the pain comes in. It’s OK to walk away from a fixer upper

I think you’re being a bit disingenuous here (ask a friend if that’s a new word for you) as it seems it’s more about women with little to offer but who expect a man who’s not going to be interested in them.

JustKittenAround · 15/07/2022 13:17

@GCHeretic Youd think given your name and the feminist (not the fun kind) views it conjures you’d be all about FDS and it’s very space…… weird.

JustKittenAround · 15/07/2022 13:19

GCHeretic · 15/07/2022 13:17

I think you’re being a bit disingenuous here (ask a friend if that’s a new word for you) as it seems it’s more about women with little to offer but who expect a man who’s not going to be interested in them.

It’s untrue but

So what if they do?

what does that hurt? The hell is wrong with you?

women expectations that you think are too much? Ok! Why is that a problem?

Doesnt hurt anyone

JustKittenAround · 15/07/2022 13:22

@GCHeretic Ask a friend why you’re so bothered by others having higher standards than yourself?

Go on, tell us GCH! Tell us about your problems with women having their own view of what they will tolerate from romantic partners!

come on!

how should they act? Tell us!

GCHeretic · 15/07/2022 13:44

JustKittenAround · 15/07/2022 13:19

It’s untrue but

So what if they do?

what does that hurt? The hell is wrong with you?

women expectations that you think are too much? Ok! Why is that a problem?

Doesnt hurt anyone

Higher standards than me? What a bizarre thing to make up. You are coming across as a bit strange now, and very angry.

JustKittenAround · 15/07/2022 13:59

@GCHeretic

yes higher than you

because I don’t try to lower other women’s standards and expectations

I SURE as hell don’t say that they are unworthy of their higher standards and surmise what they can offer in order to earn their right to them

higher than you most certainly

also I am angry. Women mustn’t be though should they? Lol. You got clown college on your resume

Scepticalwotsits · 20/08/2022 14:23

FDS mY have some pertinent information but the subreddit and a vocal part of their following are femcels and those which aren’t are highly toxic and misandric. The mods of FDS were also mods of various other similar subs before they got shut down. Toxic behaviour is toxic behaviour regardless of gender.

Blowing someone’s candle out will not make yours shine brighter.

the world needs engagement and cooperation not two tribes

JustKittenAround · 21/08/2022 04:42

Scepticalwotsits · 20/08/2022 14:23

FDS mY have some pertinent information but the subreddit and a vocal part of their following are femcels and those which aren’t are highly toxic and misandric. The mods of FDS were also mods of various other similar subs before they got shut down. Toxic behaviour is toxic behaviour regardless of gender.

Blowing someone’s candle out will not make yours shine brighter.

the world needs engagement and cooperation not two tribes

LOL!,

No comments on the men? No comments on why women feel they should hold strong to what they want?

incels believe women deserve pain and to be tricked…. Intel’s feel entitled to women’s bodies ….

No one in FDS believes anything but having your own standards and sticking to it. It’s not about manipulating anyone or forcing anyone. It’s about know you’re own value and accepting only what is worthy of you.

The unworthy can go kick rocks and find someone who will be happy with what they have to give.

Those who hate that are either women who are mad jealous they can’t keep their standards and be OK alone, or men who are way fuming because they aren’t used to women not putting up with their low value ways.

Tell on yourself. All good lol I wish you nothing but the best in your journey…..

JustKittenAround · 21/08/2022 04:49

Honestly I am blown away with how so many are crabs in a bucket. Trying to drag others down when they reach for more.

I think every single person should stick to their values and walk away when someone is unworthy. With that? They should be OK alone.

it is not toxic to have standards. It is extremely toxic to try to peck away at others standards.

Scepticalwotsits · 21/08/2022 04:52

JustKittenAround · 21/08/2022 04:42

LOL!,

No comments on the men? No comments on why women feel they should hold strong to what they want?

incels believe women deserve pain and to be tricked…. Intel’s feel entitled to women’s bodies ….

No one in FDS believes anything but having your own standards and sticking to it. It’s not about manipulating anyone or forcing anyone. It’s about know you’re own value and accepting only what is worthy of you.

The unworthy can go kick rocks and find someone who will be happy with what they have to give.

Those who hate that are either women who are mad jealous they can’t keep their standards and be OK alone, or men who are way fuming because they aren’t used to women not putting up with their low value ways.

Tell on yourself. All good lol I wish you nothing but the best in your journey…..

way to do a whataboutism. I’m not talking about men or incels etc just like I’m not talking about space fairies and hippos it’s irrelevant to the point. If yo defence on being called out on something is ‘but look at them’ then you have no defence

JustKittenAround · 21/08/2022 05:25

Scepticalwotsits · 21/08/2022 04:52

way to do a whataboutism. I’m not talking about men or incels etc just like I’m not talking about space fairies and hippos it’s irrelevant to the point. If yo defence on being called out on something is ‘but look at them’ then you have no defence

But you did.

Also your deflection on the issue is my new abdominal workout because my sides are are jiggling!

You throw about words like “femcel” when nary a person on FDS wants anything but to strengthen women to hold them standards…. Even if it means they are alone. None of it says anything about manipulating or forcing anyone to comply. Just keeping your own standards.

You are what you are. You can deflect and pretend, but at the end of the day you are either big mad that women have standards they will not lower, or you’re big mad because you can’t.

But keep on lol Types who can’t stand for others to shine truly are the types to tell on themselves… crabs in a bucket. What color is yours dear? I haven’t been in one for so long I forget what they come in?

JustKittenAround · 21/08/2022 05:31

PS none of what I’ve said it “what about” …. It’s all facts that you are wrong and I am smelling you’re pick me from here.

keep on though.

tell us all how mad you are women are maintaining their standards even if it means being alone because they are sick of lowering themselves just to have a man around.

im being generous by the way. Big scrote vibes come off your posts… standards only make those who can’t ever reach them or even have them angry.

Midlifemusings · 21/08/2022 06:09

You can find their very long manual online. If you read it and buy into that ideology, then to me you are no different from a toxic misogynistic and women hating man. I have no use for anyone who buys into a hateful ideology to make themselves feel better. That is what white supremacy is and that is what FDS is.

aletterfromseneca · 21/08/2022 08:09

Is FDS the only way to have standards? It seems it comes with other baggage that I might want to leave behind

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