Room planning - impossible task?

[KatyMac]

I am looking at buying a house - I need to create an annex.

It needs a kitchenette/lounge, a bedroom and a bathroom (not shower)
I also need bike storage (6 adult bikes), a small gym (min 8 x 6) & work room

I have 2 spaces, 3m by 10m (which has a toilet about 6.3m from one end) & 5.2m by 5.2m

The bikes make most sense for the 5m space as it will be a converted garage, it then makes sense to put the gym behind, which leaves me with a 5 by 3.3 space plus the 3 x 10 corridor

Logically the other half of the garage is the workroom but that leaves bedroom storage very tight! & the lounge/kitchen tiny

I can use the big kitchen in the other part of the house if I need proper cooking stuff

Or just cover it up and your entrance is the one into the garage (so into the gym) or from the hallway into the lounge/kitchenette?

Yes I could brick it up but I still need to get from lounge/kitchen to bedroom through the bathroom

Im going to live with it a bit, maybe

Or put the lounge next to the bedroom and the bathroom next to the garage?

But then my spare/extra wardrobes/clothes are in the garage as i was kind of dual using the gym as a walk in closet

Bathroom in garage and walk in wardrobe by the external door?

And gym in the garden!

😂😂😂

It would be easier to get a fox a chicken and some corn across a river tbh

There isnt enough width for the bedroom next to the lounge/kitchen - damn

And to be fair dual purposing the gym/walk-in is a great use of space with undies pjs and casual everyday stuff in the bedroom and more formal/work stuff, spare coats etc elsewhere

Plus suitcases/Christmas decs and tools etc

I truly think so

But separating out their need for a downstairs loo from my bathroom has helped (& made it more complex at the same time)

Where have the stairs gone in this picture because if I understand it correctly they are where the bathroom now is? There may also not be existing drainage for having the bathroom there- toilet in particular might be tricky as no soil pipe. I would deffo recommend getting an architect/ builder round to discuss before proceeding as I think this might end up being prohibitively expensive / not feasible. The last thing you want is to buy this house and then find out that the changes you need to make it workable for multi generation living aren’t doable. It all ends up costing loads more than you think just to move doors etc as all the little extra costs like plastering and redoing architraves and skirting add up, unless one of you is handy and can do it themselves. The other thing to think about is if the changes you make will make it really hard to sell on later. - ie you spend loads and the house ends up worth less than you bought it for. I’m wondering if it might be better to buy a smaller house with clear potential for extension to create purpose built annexe.

Ah- ignore me- I can see what you mean now- the hallway with the stairs just wasn’t on the diagram! I think the idea of the shared utility is v good because it makes both your kitchens bigger - could do stacked washer and dryer and 1/2 dishwashers. One slight issue with the whole design is the number of doors required which reduces wall space and how “big” a room is in usable terms. Also not clear how you get to your bathroom - you really need to avoid a 2 door solution as it hugely cuts down functionality due to wall space issue.

i’d still recommend considering cost and resale. Do you definitely need the boot room as if not your living space would be significantly bigger?

On the original plan the utility wc wall is thicker - i think its an outside wall? The hous is the ex showroom so maybe the extra room/study was connected with that so im worried about that not being as easily removable id hoped to put a door in but removing it altogether?

Id like the bathroom where the boot room is (less plumbing closer to the bedroom for nighttime visits)

But with the stairs there is only the hall width entrance and making a door to our space and a door to the bathroom would be very tight (I think) & the backroor (which we could remove i guess) makes that space so much a corridor

Sorry bathroom door is in the hall

I guess in an ideal worldbthe boot room wouldn't be there at all it would be a corridor to the back door with a door to.my lounge/kitchenette and another to ny bedroom but the coat of removing the exterior wall is too much

Given you and DH already have health / mobility issues please consider that all spaces / corridors are suitable for use with wheelchair / walker in the future. Some of these spaces look quite tight to me. 'Normal' doorways / turns in corridors etc can be surprisingly tight and you may as well future proof as much as possible. Of course you may know that this won’t be an issue but I was surprised how difficult a regular home and then flat became for my mother as her mobility decreased.

That's one of the reasons we want the entrance/exit of the bedroom on the same side as negotiating the 2 sides of the bed to get through could be tricky

Our disabilities are part of the reason for the move and doors would need widening even if we dont change any room usage

The garage has a step down and we are planning to bring that up and ramp down for the garage doors

I wonder if it would actually be better for you to have the (existing) dining room and kitchen and utility as your living/sleeping/storage/bathroom with the study as a combined kitchen/utility which you share and the your dd has the lounge/conservatory as kitchen/living and the snug upstairs

The study is tiny for a kitchen for even one family

It's not even 3m sq

It would be kitchenette/utility and th family would have the kitchen in the lounge/conservatiry

Would they walk through our area to use it?

Hmm maybe

No you’d keep the corridor as is and then you would have lounge/dining/utility as your private area.

Not convinced

I think sharing the utility next to each kitchen area would be easier

But I would have a bigger bedroom but a smaller bathroom (possibly with a back door in it)

This area is a bottle neck and the stairs/backdoor make it worse

I can move the back door into our lounge kitchen (dont really want to)

Or maybe do something clever with the stairs ive attached upstairs lay out too

I am still convinced the end of the hall between my kitchen and bedroom is a waste of space - i keep trying to play with the stairs - can we put some of the bathroom under the stairs or change the layout some how

It's so frustrating I think an architect may be the way to go!

Im hoping to ask and go measure up so I'll see if I can work out which walls are load bearing

I'm assuming the thicker walls are external & I imagine the side of the lounge and the wall between the kitchen/dining room

The architect with eat into the budget but I'm hoping it will save budget too

I think figuring out the plumbing will be key

given what you have said about mobility I am not convinced the door between garage and study and then door to utility are really wide enough

They aren't and the garage is on a different level (step down) but we have allowed for that in the budget