Dec 08 ladies getting re-clackered, with tantrums from toddlers we're sure to be knackered

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Loved your title rubs
Never started a thread before so hope this works...can anybody find it?
hello....

Oooh great title!

Yay! Works fine for me trace

I'm here! Brilliant new thread title, Rubes!

Am up. Totally knackered, but got bored of being in bed. Plus had a tesco delivery! A free Daily Mail. I hate to offend anyone who reads it, but my GOD what a total load of claptrap. But quite entertaining.

We're off to meet our potential new landlord tonight. V excited as apparently the house is nearly finished and looking amazing. I really really hope we get it, but apparently he likes the sound of us, so fingers crossed. I will have to blow my nose and put some make up on sharpish!

Pubes - I'm being kicked to high hell. Loving the movement, but I think it's doing cartwheels in there. Ouchio.

Anyway, Diagnosis Murder is on, so am going to put my feet up in front of it.

And well started the thread, Trace! x

Thanks trace! Well done on getting the very last post.

Rubes: I was def more tired and uncomfortable. Do make sure you get enough rest. Not too much cleaning or dyeing babygros.

Wotcha Beans!

Thanks Trace! Just in the nick of time! Sorry I buggered off after suggesting a title, but I feel truly honoured....

Thanks Effie I will - I guess with running around after ds it is also more tiring as he certainly knows how to cover some miles

This morning dh put him on his trike and screamed around the garden with him which he loves and he squealed with excitment but then dh left him strapped into the trike sitting on the patio and of course he dove towards the ground trying to get out and face planted on the concrete! Looks like he came out of it with no injuries but still - dh just doesn't think - wheras I knew that was imminent

Glad you are feeling or sounding a little perkier now Beans. I just feel like my stomach is SO tight and uncomfortable like it's going to pop, and every position i'm in is annoyingly uncomfortable, and my udders are constantly resting on my gut - charming.

trace thank you for the new thread and Rubes great suggestion too!

Rubes I did at the thought of you having udders!

urgh, dh has peed off to a race. My tummy has a really bruised like feeling on the top of the bump - I vaguely remember this feeling at one point last time. dh said baby may be transverve or just the position might be making it more uncomfortable than normal or baby might have peed a lot thus why it is SO tight anyway, sorry to whine, but fortunately I have done dinner so just needs to be heated when Lance returns, and ds is fed, bathed, toothbrushed, and in bed. I may pour myself a cheeky spritzer

transverse I guess that's meant to be...

I had the same thing Rubs which I think was a combination of painful lefts overs from DS1 kicked me loads then DS2 took up the baton, and I had loads of liquor (that's the amniotic fluid not that I was drinking whiskey) way more than normal, it was all very tight and bruisey feeling on top, and on the bottom of my bump I had twingey pain.

Oh and thanks for starting the thread Trace and nice title Rubs. I did like mac flaps etc. but that was just cos it had flaps in it.

I didn't end up getting out I made a melanzane parmigiana instead and then went to yoga. I do love cooking esp when I can do it undisturbed. DH is home half the day tomorrow so we're going to have it for lunch, he's doing me a stir fry for dinner now.

Vaggie, you described exactly what I'm feeling - in fact that bruise like feeling is quite sore as I was carrying ds down the stairs and his knee was just resting on my bump and it hurt. Oh well at least it's a good thing that I might have lots of liquor
ds also beat me up quite a bit as well.

I had so much that when DS2 came out (he had kind of acted like a plug and my waters were broken manually by the midwife just before he came out) that DH caught him and then he and DS2 got a shower. DH said it was like a gushing waterfall. Luckily my Persian rug was well covered. Sorry that probably a bit TMI. Your consultant or a midwife can feel if there is lots of liquor it's not a problem just quite uncomfortable. I think it's the reason I couldn't eat much in the 3rd trimester because of the pressure on my stomach.

Hello everyone,

Great thread title, well done rubes.

Congratulations spot, another one up the clacker! How exciting. All change for you with a new house too.

LadyT Lake Geneva is so beautiful. I loved it there! Well done on winning the matches and playing on in the rain.

Nolda Belated birthday congratulations!

beans Don't cancel your leaving meal just because of one annoying woman. Just enjoy yourself, only 6 days left, that will fly by!!

Rubes Hope you feel more comfortable soon. Perhaps the baby is lying over a nerve or something.

Well we may be moving too, any advice would be welcome! My parents have decided to downsize and we're thinking of buying their house. In many ways the house is perfect, great location in a better area with good schools (where we are now there is only one good one and the rest are dire), lots of space, BUT it is their house and although they say they wouldn't care if we made changes, I'm not sure. They just don't see that it is in rather poor condition, it would need new carpets and redecoration - whereas they think it is 'move in ready'. Plus we'd like to do rather big changes. The kitchen is a tiny add on extension and we'd like to put it in the dining room instead to make a kitchen diner.

Also my dad says that he will do some of the work for us himself but I know he would never get round it it. For example, the bannisters to the top floor are missing. The day we moved in they had to be sawn off to get their bed upstairs, that was 23 years ago! For 23 years my dad has been getting round to that job, yet I think he'd be a bit miffed if we got someone in the do it!!

I don't know! All very tricky. On the one hand, a really good house but on the other hand, mmm. Decisions, decisions....

I don't know all sounds a bit tricky and what happens if you get it surveyed and they find other problems or major work needs doing after you've moved in that you hadn't anticipated, they'd feel bad. Maybe you could say you'd consider it but you want to do the work yourself and no sniffing around or complaining. Just lay it on the line straight up. What does your DH think?

Hello veggie,

DH loves the house, he had to convince me that it was a good idea, but he is rather worried about my dad sticking his nose in and generally telling him what to do! DH has no idea about DIY whereas my dad is very handy, when he can be bothered! You are right that we'd have to set ground rules, it is difficult though because I wouldn't want to be rude and upset them but I certainly wouldn't want them telling us what to do.

at burp WG ? I love it!

Jolly my parents were offered my Dad?s parents house not long after they married, but turned it down because Mum was scared to redecorate and offend her new MIL and FIL. However as its your parents house, rather than your ILs, would you be less worried about offending? Or could you even blame your DH for wanting to move into a redecorated house (with his permission of course)? I can see the dilemma, and also I?d love to move into my old family home, had it not been sold to a couple with alpacas (which, even aged 31, I think is cool that there are now alpacas living at my house )

DH has taken to shutting the stairgate at night ?in case DD tries to go downstairs?. I think that if she can climb out of her cot, then the stairgate a) won?t be much of a challenge and b) will be the least of our worries. But still he does it every night , sometimes I think he is very strange. Oh, and no more mention of treating me to a weekend away ? guess it was the beer talking!

Aubi (or anyone clever) can you explain what will happen if there?s a hung parliament after tomorrow. DH and I are arguing whether Mr Brown will remain PM, regardless of which party has the most seats. Its just too complicated to get my little head round ... Anyway, am off to do some election research now, as I am still wavering but determined to vote tomorrow. And then bath time. Night night

Thanks for the new thread Trace and love the title Rubes. Jolly, i think Veg and ZJ have some great ideas, and because there's so much else in its favour I'd def go with the house. I'm sure your parents wouldn't expect you not to make any changes, and you could maybe just do them slowly so they don't notice as much?

Hope the meeting with the landlord's gone well tonight Beans and you've got the gaff.

T has been v wearing today, really tantrumy and running away everywhere. It's got to the point where I can't meet friends in a park (or in fact anywhere outside) because he just wants to get out of the park and play in the traffic . He went ballistic when I tried reins before, but maybe need to see this one out. Weren't you going to try them, Rubes?

WG, I love that madam said "burp". Does she have many words already? Would be ace if it were her first.

Oh, and is there such a thing as convincing tasting alcohol free wine? Or should I just stick to soft drinks and wait til the second trimester for the real deal?

Oh Spot, I have the exact same problem with ds. If I go to meet people in a park I leave him strapped into the buggy as long as possible because when I let him out (highchair in a cafe or to run around in the park) he is off! I've bought a backpack with reins but haven't tried it out yet (should arrive tomorrow)

Alcohol free wines - I've tried the ones from Tesco etc and they are less than average, however Lindemans make an ok-ish low alcohol wine (still 7%) which is nice. I've heard the best tasting one's are made by
Ariel but you have to order online and they aren't the cheapest. I didn't bother, as I was so ill the 1st trimester, and since then I have just had the real deal once in awhile. I can't wait for a lovely lovely red wine when this one pops out [dreamy]

Evening everyone, just a quick one from me as I want to go to sleeeeeeep! Very tired.

Rubes sorry you are uncomfortable. I am not uncomfortable but am getting very knackered now. Can't believe we have 3 months-ish still to go! Can I have been this tired last time round?? BAH! Also I have heartburn which is rubbish.

Jolly it's a tough one re the house. Not sure I would tbh. It would be the "wanting to help but not getting round to it" that would put me off, but I guess that could be a problem wherever you moved to?? I would go for veggies option of being straight with them that you don't want them being offended if you get someone else to do the work and see how they respond. Yikes to no bannisters....do you mean no bannisters at all in the upstairs hall?? Isn't that a bit dangerous?

zj my MIL had alpacas! They were very cute but they ate all her grass and were too high maintenance, plus they didn't scare the foxes away from the chickens as well as she wanted them to so she sold them.

Not an expert on politics but i think a hung parliament just means that one party doesn't have the overall majority of seats (i.e more than the other parties put together) so they can't control how voting on a particular issue will go. I assume whichever party gets the most seats gets their head as PM if you see what I mean, whether they have the overall majority or not.

Right sorry am sure i had more to say but now must sleep.

Oh but I wanted to say I am excited as it looks like I will get to meet the northern contingent trace, Jolly and zj on holiday. Hooray!

Oh spot sorry can't help re the alcohol free wine either. On the beer front becks is meant to be nice. I just drink a little bit of the real thing!!

Oh and re the hung parliament thing, I would be interested in how Aubs would think it would work out in reality, i.e. what problems it might cause. I know she said she thought it would be interesting!

oh and Jolly I meant to say hmmm not sure how I'd feel about that. it can get messy when it's family involved, so I know what you mean. I'd give it a lot of thought before commiting to it etc. Sorry I've not been very helpful I know, but I just get really cold shivers about things like that.

Hello Summer I've been ok knackeredness-wise but it's catching up with me now that I'm getting so uncomfortable. I just gave dh a right royal lecture about doing stuff without being asked. He seems to only do things unprompted when he has loads of races etc etc seems to have agreed with me but we'll see

What do mean about doing stuff without being asked, do you mean like housework stuff, or him doing stuff without asking like going to races? I have to say my DH is quite ace at doing housework at the moment, and stuff for DS. I have just spent most of the evening cleaning though so i hope he is grateful.

Evening all. Am having a LOVELY stay at Babington House. Seriously this is my idea of heaven. Anyway DH will kill me if he finds me posting on the night of our anniversary so I am sneaking on to answer Zoe and Summer's hung parliament questions while DH is doing his evening exercises.

If there is a hung parliament then that means that no single party has more than 50% of the seats in the Commons. Therefore no one party will be able to win votes in the House and a government
must be able to win most votes to get new legislation passed. The way forward would be for two parties to agree to work together and form a government with Ministers from both their ranks. Those two parties would agree a set of policies to drive forward together and that of course would be the first hurdle.

The incumbent party (ie Labour) will be given the first oppurtunity to form a government. That means Brown would be asked by the Queen to form a government even if Labour don't win the most seats. However given that Clegg has ruled out working with Brown, and given Brown's own unpopularity in the Labour pithinO think we can rule out him being PM in a hung parliament.

Hung parliaments are common in other countries and there are good examples (e.g Germany & New Zealand) and bad (e.g Italy). There is no party with an outright majority in Scotland or Wales and those legislatures work well. Some say the disadvatage of a hung parliament is that few decisions are made but it could be argued we need a time with fewer new iniatives. A time of consolidation may be welcomed by doctors, teachers and others who have to deliver endless policy changes. Would a coalition gov have agreed to go to war in Iraq? Probably not. Draw your own conclusions from that.

In addition maybe coalition government would bring back proper Cabinet decision making rather than the presidential style of Blair and Brown. It would certainly change the strength of parliament in relation to government with parliament much better able to fufill it's role of holding government to account for it's
actions (which is the area I am most interested in).

Essay over. DH has discovered me and is glowering...