Dec 08 ladies getting re-clackered, with tantrums from toddlers we're sure to be knackered

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Welcome back WG how was your hol. Do you feel a little refreshed. How is madam?

I'm not sure if I should reveal that I actually didn't have anything to drink last night. DH got me some pimms but forgot lemonade etc. We had a lovely night though. Made Nachos & tacos (very non European I know) and pissed ourselves laughing at GN and our own hilarious comments. That guy coming on during the Spanish song got us started off well. Rubs did you think the Macedonian score reader lady had a bit of a Aussie, possibly melbourne accent? I'm so excited about it being next door in Germany next year. I wonder if we could get tickets. Though I quite like sitting at home with DH to watch it. DH wants to have a party for next years one.

I had a yoga class this morning. I only have one week left of my course (to learn head stands aaaahhhh) and have really enjoyed it. Today we did almost a full class with the normal group and I loved it but was soaked with sweat by the end, Ive no idea why I swear so much more than other people. Next week I must bring a towel & a spare shirt.

Right I'm off for my first coffee of the day! I had to forgo this mornings coffee as the class started at 9.15am.

Oh and Rubs I meant to say DS1 only ever napped in the pushchair but DS2 has been napping on our bed or an open cot bed since he was 8 months. No problems with going off to sleep as he usually crashes straight away and it is usually him that points to the bedroom to say he's ready for a nap so he happily stays in. I usually close the door so if he wakes he can't get out because the handle is too high. If he wakes before he is ready he cries but stays on the bed so i go in and resettle him. If he is ready to get up he just yells out at the door. The first couple of times he did this I raced into get him and sent him flying because I opened the door too swiftly. Now I open the door carefully and he usually trotts out unless I have taken a little too long to get to him in which case he glares at me and demands to be picked up.

Beans I'm glad LO is ok, I did have to giggle at DD. I wonder if she was getting bored with waiting to took matters into her own hands, or head as it were.

Oh and question for anyone who has read the Steig Larsson series. I have bought all three books and started Reading no.1. DH likes the looks of them and wants to start Reading too. Is it possible to read them out of order? Or is it best he wait til I have finished 1?

it's eerily quiet on here today...
I watched eurovision too and thought the best bit was the intruder in Spain's song . Also loved the winner's accent! She sounded like she'd learnt english by watching Mary Poppins Not too bad a song though.
wg good to see you again. How are you and DH and madam?
beans that sounded like a scary time and I'm so glad MiniBeans is fine.
DH has been in an utter grump today. Do you ever have days when you think you could quite happily live without your dh? I feel bad because I know I also have times when I'm willing him to walk through the door because I can't face another minute without him, but today he has just irked me. Grr.
Anyway, not worth a grumble. Must dash for some tea now but maybe back later. Hope the weather wherever you are is better than it is in York!

Hi All,

I am back from Sweden. We had a great time. The wedding was fantastic and it was great to catch up with people I hadn't seen in ages and of course to see LadyT and O as well as to meet LordT. The bride and groom (well especially the groom) are real performers so the whole wedding was like a piece of theatre and we were thoroughly entertained.

I have at this point to say little O is a wonder child. She came to the reception and just smiled and played all evening. Not a peep was heard. Then LadyT got her to sleep in her pram and she slept through 12 speeches (yes 12) with accompanying applause, countless roars of "skall!" as much schnapps was consumed, a rap song written by the groom for the bride, an Elvis impersonator and an Abba disco. I was stunned and v impressed (& maybe a tinsy bit jealous as I pictured how DD2 would have been).

LordT was also very charming and did LadyT proud. Sadly the same can not be said about my DH who drunk wayyyy too much, danced like your most embarrassing uncle, draped himself in an American flag and staggered on stage to dance with Elvis' backing singers and then made very loud and rude jokes on the coach home before chucking up all over our ensuite bathroom. I was so proud...

Anyway a good time was had by all but I am pleased to be home with my girls who I rather missed.

Back tomorrow with personals. Off to get an Indian takeaway to chase away the remnants of my hangover which plagued me through today's 9 hours of travel. Bloody schnapps.

Avo your description of your DH sounds hilarious! Glad you had a great time. I have to say DS1 prob would have slept O style, but I think DS2 would do an impression of your DH complete with some table dancing and some crying later in the evening.

Oh God that was PRICELESS Avo!

hello hello - sounds wonderful, avo! welcome back and get rid of that hangover with an indian - lovely!

hello trace and veggie - hols were lovely - with dad and ladyfriend and looked after royally. also had another friend come out to stay for 4 nights so we had madam in with us for those nights. she slept well, but came in with us for a few hours, but the bed is super super kingsize, so no probs there.

dh and i getting on, especially when there are other people there - but we tend to fall back into despondency when on our own. first appt on weds. eeek!

madam is being delightful at the mo - i could eat her all up. seriously, sometimes i think she is the most beautiful, delightful, charming girl in the world. bless her.

Mom I am so sorry to hear your sad news, I absolutely don?t know what to say, but just to give you a hug. Xx. I?m really pleased you keep posting, it is lovely to hear you?re ok, or as best you can be.

Veggie your DS1 is so adorable, and so lovely to his brother.

Spot and Poison I hope you had fun together yesterday?

Welcome home WG, I hope the holiday was lovely? And welcome home too Avo, it sounds like your trip and the wedding was a lot of fun (my DH is more of the mould of your DH, rather than the charming LordT).

Beans I?m glad all is ok. Do think that is a sign of how their relationship will be?

DD and I also had a fab time at the meet up, I have bored DH stupid with tales of all the lovely little ones and what a great place we went to. Trace sorry you got stuck with DD and the horse ? v patient of you! And I hope that E?s head was ok after the bump, and Summer you weren?t too shocked by it? Your DH was very brave to meet us all ? is he the first DH to brave a meet up? DD and littleJolly both fell asleep in the car on the way back to the station ? so sweet to see them so worn out after all the fun, I hope she stayed that way Jolly and you got some good trashy magazines read? I?ll get the photos onto my profile this week (if I can work out how to do it ? I?ve not tried that before!)

oh, and smug and infuriating nutritional therapist person we know had a BLISSFUL WATERBIRTH AT HOME. i am awful. am so full of bile. this is the first time i have felt bad about my cs.

btw - sl - have you opted for an elective cs or vbac? just wondering...

Good morning ladies!

wg Great to hear you sounding sopositive at the moment. Glad you had a good time away, sounds like it was just what you needed.

beans Horrible scare for you but glad that's all it was.

mom hope you are taking care of yourself. Much love xx

avo your description of the wedding was so funny. Really made me giggle.

trace, summer & zj sounds like you had a wonderful meet I am very .

Hen do was lots of fun! My feet are shot at from wearing heels and dancing like a loon. My liver may recover in time for the actual wedding but who knows! I have to say Veggie's hangover advice was brilliant and will no doubt be repeated again at some point.

DH coped pretty well, although my mum did bath DC's both nights and fed them on Saturday. So really he didn't do that much. DD was very pleased to see meon my return. DS on the other hand wouldn't even look at me. Wouldn't let me give him his dinner last night and DH had to put himto bed as he wouldn't let me even hold him. But DH at work today and DS was full of smiles and cuddles when I went to get him from his cot this morning. so i think I am forgiven. Who'd have thought he could be so pee'd with me??

just to clear up a question, veggie - about that hangover cure. is that 2 ibuprofen on top of the 2 paracetamol if you've eaten (by which i presume you mean eaten a proper dinner that night)? don't want to get it wrong, after daisy has given the cure such a wonderful endorsement.

hi folks, welcome back, WG, glad you had a lovely time and that things were more relaxed with you and DP. And that's so sweet to hear about you enjoying madam so much, made me smile .

Glad you had fun weekends, Avo and Daisy, am v of all the cheerfulness consumed. Sounds like Avo's DH and Daisy would have made top dancing partners .

Great to see poison on Sat, her kids are absolutely gorgeous and very sweet. I think T had a bit of a boy crush on her DS.

Not sure what to do today, think we'll have a bit of a lazy day by the sea. It's fine with DP around but all the normal playgroups T and I go to this week will be off because of half term, will have to get thinking cap on to do stuff that doesn't cost too much. Any ideas vv welcome!

Blaaeeeuuuuurrgh, DS2 has had 2 bad nights in a row. Sat night I didn't as was hoping it was a one off but last night was horrendous. It's not like when he is teething it's more frequent and well just annoying. I think maybe he was cold. It has been rainy & a bit chillier the last couple of days but we've only just popped on the heating. I think I need to get him some toddler size baby grows but with either no feet or those non slip dot things on the feet so he doesn't slip over when he gets up. On top of the bad sleep I layed down with him this morning for his nap so I could get a little sleep too. But we have just had some new neighbours move in and they must be having some work done and they were drilling right into the wall where our head were! I held DS2's head with my hands over his eats so he could get some sleep but it was no use he woke up, so I took him out to the livingroom as he would have heard the drilling in any of the bedrooms but DH was out working there and when DS2 saw him he got excited and wouldn't go back to sleep. Bah!

Anyhoo I'll survive. Daisy I'm glad I could be of assistance for you to get the most out of your weekend. WG you can take both and the neurofen is the best as it tackles dehydration headaches which is what most hangover headaches are. You just need to have something in your tummy. So if you have drunk so much that you've thrown up it's not a good idea to take it. Though by that stage you probably won't keep the water down anyway .

Oh gotta go this child has way too much energy today.

Hey all. Veggie we've had a couple of shocking nights too. We went to a wedding on Saturday (DD was flower girl, v cute) which totally screwed up her sleeping patterns. We were the only ones there with a child and it was in the middle of nowhere and all the others seemed to be staying in the farm where it was, but we had to put DD to bed in a travel cot in a dining room, then move her to car later and drive to hotel. Whole thing was a bit of a nightmare as she is not the sort to just sleep through it all, so she was up at 5am the next morning. Oh well. Think she might be teething too which doesn't help.

But the big news is that today, she started walking!! We were round at a NCT mates house and she just let go of my hand and was off. No faffing around with little distances, she just went the length of the (very long) room, turned around neatly and was back again. Then was walking around our house like she's been doing it for months. It's all very exciting - still can't get used to seeing her stride off on her own - and DH is absolutely over the moon that she's done it before he's off to South Africa for a month - he was terrified he was going to miss it.

WG lovely to see you back - hope the hangover is ok!

MoM so sorry about your news, there are definitely people here who can help with advice and empathy, will keep you in my prayers.

kiwi hurrah for walking! Go dd! She'll be out the door and down the street before you know it! You must post FB pics of her as flower girl

avo your DH sounds like an absolute star and I'm not surprised to hear O was the most well behaved little thing, she's always seemed very zen calm. LadyT does she have paddies or is it just the rest of us...?

WG it's great to hear you sounding so chipper, good luck for your session on Weds.

DD is being a bit of a pain at the mo - well, a lot of the time she's absolutely lovely, and has a real cheeky sense of humour - but there's a heck of a lot of whining if she doesn't get what she wants, immediately. Because she's still not talking at all, it's often very hard to know what she wants - we end up picking up everything and it's still "aaahh ahhh [not that you imbecile]" Also, she's still bfing morning and night and has got to teh stage where I have tot ake her off because she grabs on with her teeth (not hard, but enough!) and then sucks so I end up with a long saggy old lady nip. Mmmm...! And on removing her to stop this getting more painful, she yells and yells. Who else is still bfing - got any handy advice?

Big news with us is that the new kitchen is finally finished, so I have worksurface and a proper space to do things, and enough cupboards for everything! So despite the joiners and the electricians etc trying to drive us round the bend (and there's still some fixing needs doing) it's great. DH and I actually managed to make lunch yesterday without constanltly elbowing each other in the ribs

Oh Kiwi that is lovely that she walked for DH. I've heard of babies not walking for ages then suddenly getting up and walking. I always imagine they are busily calculating the force, speed and weight required to stand up and walk. Smart cookies. Well done babypanda.

Sorry about the wedding. That is exactly what DS2 would be like I image, in fact maybe that's why DS2 has been sleeping so badly he's linked into DD again through their sleepless ESP.

JJ No advice but DD is doing the same thing (and is feeding every 4 minutes when I'm with her) so will be interested to see if anyone else does! She also, incidentally, does the go-mental-if-she-doesn't-get-what-she-wants-after-2-seconds thing. And woe betide you if you take something away that she's decided she wants to play with. I sympathise!

Crossposted Veggie Yes I think our little tykes have some kind of psychic chats to agree their next acts of destruction/ insomnia!

It was amazing, she just suddenly went from not walking at all to walking totally normally - and standing stock still for ages which she's never done before either! Mad. She's dead chuffed with herself too which is very sweet.

JJ I've mentioned before I've got a one bite and your off policy with DS2. I literally shut up shop if he bites. So I pull up bra, pull down my top and actually put my hand over my boob and say 'no biting, Babyveggie, it hurts mummy. Now no mook mook'. Then put him down. He carries on sometimes but these days he does a little nuzzle into me and a different kind of whine which to me seems like an 'i'm sorry mummy' so I swap boobs and say 'any more bites and that's it'. He has never bitten twice.

Glad to hear your kitchen is sorted.

I'm off to bed, first I just need to cover DS2's head in tin foil so he can't send or recieve messages from Babypanda.

Where is Rubs? Was she going away today? I guess she's out because it's a bank holiday.

How exciting KIWI I love the just learnt to walk thing they do.

Veggie poor you with the rubbish sleep. We are still on before 6am wake ups, grr.

AVO I did PMSL at your DH's antics that is exaclty the sort of thing mine would do when he has had a few too many. Oh BTW I dont want you to be getting all upset with your nanny over what I said. I just found it vv odd that she charged by the hour. I would suggest that you contact a reputable agency, Grey coat Placements, Imperial Nannies or Kensington Nannies and just query with them the going rate for that sort of thing.

I have to moan a bit about my boys. DS1 has been exhausting this weekend with his whinging and moaning. Everything has been a major tantrum this wkend. DS2 also has been pretty tough going he gets in a right strop when he doesnt get what he wants ie climbing on the worktop to reach the kitchen knives. I feel physically and mentally done in.

Am off to Bluewater tom with both of them which could be a disaster But I need to get their feet measured go to John Lewis (I heart JL) and do a few other bits and bobs that Chelmsford wont do. Wish me luck. I will be taking the P&T with the doubles seat so I can strap both of them in. There will be lots of chocolate and biscuits. PLus am sure I will end up buying comics and loads of other crap to try and keep them amused. Why am I doing this? May have to do a little Ikea meatballs on the way home.

Oh and SPOT you said you would head this way arent you Brighton?? That would take forever we are 20 mins on from Stanstead.

WG lovely to have you back too. Sounds like a good time was had on your hols. I hope oyur app this wk goes well.

Right best go communicate with DH.

Hi all,
So properly back from hols now, not got the photos off the camera yet of the meet up though! Was very nice to meet trace zj and jolly and their lovely little ones! They are all such cute little characters.... P is such a cheeky little monkey what with her mud eating antics, mini zj is just butter wouldn't melt cute and mini jolly was so funny grabbing everyone except mummy and trying to get them to take her on the slide, or bringing people pressies such as lovely spades, etc.
DS has definitely recovered from his little accident now. It was a bit scary sorry about the drama as you were all about to leave!

Holiday was great, but DS was ill at the start (threw up on me as we were about to get on a steam train, nice), then I was ill a couple of days later, and DH has just had "man-flu" or similar the last day or so. So a bit tiring. But I got to see my relatives up north so that was good, and Skipton is very nice. There is not much 3G up north though so it was hard to keep up!

wg balls to the smuggo beautiful waterbirth lady! Dammit! Hee hee. Never mind, say "Congratulations, how wonderful for you" and be gracious....I still haven't had my hospital appointment so haven't decided how to get no. 2 out yet!! I was getting stressed about it the other day though (along with about a million other things)
Glad you had a good holiday

kiwi little kiwi's walking is sooo cute. Brought a tear to my eye!

avo glad you had a good time in Sweden - sounds great. Funny about your DH!!!

Daisy I am interested to hear that your DS was in a mood when you got back. My DS did that with DH last time he went away for a while, he is away next week as well and I think DS will be even worse now he is a bit older. Is it bad to be looking forward a bit to watching wonderful favourite "da-da" getting sulked at a bit!!! HAHA!

beans how is the packing going. Glad your scare was just that! Not long to go now.

mom hope you are ok if you are lurking.

Right gotta go as DH predictably has decided it is time for bed.

Just had a wee delivey from our postie - Veggie thank you so much! Such a kind thought and so very much appreciated. Will help to soothe my battered pride arm. Am just checking that it's ok as I drink my tea....

I am embarrassed that you are so quick off the blocks and I am still holding on to my stash for you. Will post this week!

June 1st today. Matthew is 18m exactly. Where did that time go? And it's now the month when Beans has her baby. Yay! Can you text me your address please darling? 07958 701168. We'll just pop in for a quick cuppa in the am after our dip if that's OK and you are still free. Will just have my 5 y old who is very domesticated and loves babies.

Morning all, have had an absolutely manic weekend packing up all Mum and Dad's stuff and moving loads of it into storage. Moving from a 13 bed to a 5 bed house means there is alot of spare furniture!
I am just popping on to say Lady and Rubes we never did confirm a date for our Moreton in Marsh meet-up, did we? Tuesday 8th or Weds 9th would be best for me. I can be in Moreton by 10.30 I think, but will need to leave by 1.30 to get DS from school, unless I can organise an away play date for that afternoon, hmm. Anyway, let me know which of those 2 days is best for you and I will formulate a plan.
Off to see parents into their new place today and say last goodbye's to family home, so must dash. Hope all are well.

Hello all! I'd love to come to a Wetlands meet up, but think I might not be able to next week as am moving on Thursday/Friday this week and next week my mum is coming to stay for a night, plus need to settle in somewhat....

We had a lovely weekend at my parent's place. I have to say, though, was not that impressed with DH or the guests as they really hardly lifted a finger to help with the clear up yesterday - all just read the papers while I cleaned the whole house. Grrr. Plus the friends brought their son, who is 6 months younger than DD and who didn't stop moaning the whole weekend!! But I've never known someone to boring about their child and obsessed with his every move! Honestly, it was extraordinary. I'm happy to chat about babies, but this was to the point when I know every detail of his routine and his sleeping etc. Was very dull! But they are nice people and I@m just a grumpy hormonal old bag!

Sybs - I've texted you this morning.

Avo - your DH sounds class! I love it. Wish my DH would let himself go a bit more like that - it's really amusing! But glad the wedding sounded so lovely.

Ooh, one other thing... After I'd done all the cleaning up yesterday, DH didn't thank me once. Then DD did a poo and he changed her nappy. But had a go at me because there weren't any nappy sacks of wipes in her changing bag (I'd been using them in the house, so had packed them in her overnight bag) and then when I didn't put the nappy in the sack while he put her clothes on, he asked me if he had to do everything. OH MY GOD! Silly twat. Then wondered why I was silent on the journey home!!

So, Trace I do know exactly how you feel about sometimes wondering if life would feel a lot easier/better without DH. I love him, but sometimes, I equally can't stand him!

I also kept crying yesterday about moving out of this house. Feeling a bit wobbly about it at the moment after 13 years here!

Morning! Thanks for all your lovely messages. I am feeling so much better and actually ended up enjoying some of the weekend, which I wasn't expecting. Had a lovely day in Whistable on Sunday - oysters and rose wine on the beach...have to look for that silver lining somewhere!

I am physically feeling totally fine now. Just like a normal but heavy period so far. Have a scan on Friday to see how things are going.

WG - Good to see you. I was thinking about you and hoping you were okay. Grrr to the underserved homebirth. I get so jealous when I hear about lovely homebirths (irrational, but I do) because I know that even if I get my VBAC someday, I will probably not have the guts to try for it at home.

Avo - Classic DH description! Mine would be the same, except he would also have his shirt off and have encourage half of the wedding party to do the same. I nearly died of embarrassment when he did this at a very posh wedding, only to be told off by the groom's father.

Veggie - Sorry the dodgy sleep has hit the Veggie household too. Ours lasted about 2 weeks and has now inexplicably passed, if it helps?

Yay for babyPanda! Spot - Forgot about half term. Such a pain when all the good groups are shut plus the other stuff is heaving with extra kids!

Jam - I have been contemplating a trip to Bluewater for months now, but always lose the will at the last minute. Hope it was a good day out in the end.

Hi Zoe! Good to see you.

Jump. We've wound up BFing now, but I did the same as Veggie re: the bites. Shut down the milk bar and put him down for a moment, even though he's yelling. Then pick up and cuddle and give him one more chance.

Thanks Summer. I'm here and doing fine today. I was going to tell my boss in case I felt like I needed to take time off this week, but I think I will keep it to myself as long as I feel well, and then only tell him if I start to wobble.

Beans hope the move is going okay. It is so sad to leave a house with happy memories. I have moved a lot in the last few years and know the feeling.

Happy quasi-birthday babySybil!

Um, best do some work I suppose....