september edd new babies arriving come share the ups and downs here

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Hello. Think i was first to deliver off the September EDD thread so waving to see if anyone else out there yet to join me :)
Had my 2nd DD on 26aug by C-sec. We now home but struggling with BF and baby lost 10% body weight in 3days. Started to top up with formula in syringe to try give cracked. Bleeding nipples a rest, but milk is starting to drip out now leaking everywhere! Hoping for a better night tonight after 3nights of hourly feeds and snatching 2-3hrs of sleep.
Anyone else struggling too?

Ooh - just responding quickly to queries - tesco do their own version of drinking yogurt that's much cheaper than the actimil - anything that is probiotic is probably just as good as the brand name.

Bcg - both my older dcs had this injection when we lived in London. Ds1 had to have it done twice, once at birth which the student nurse messed up, then a heaf test to see if it had worked and then a re-injection as it hadn't. Lo hasn't had it as they only give it in areas which have a high risk - hate to say it but usually in areas with high levels of immigration so often near big cities as we don't have a system of ensuring that people coming to live here from abroad are protected - madness if you ask me - we protect our dogs from rabies better than our children! In Australia you cannot emigrate unless you have all these innoculations but we are too "british" and polite to ask ! Anyway, the bcg was absolutely fine with dcs - will still need to be re-administered when they get into their teens but they will have another heaf test then to see whether they have natural immunity or not.

Benecols 4 lowering cholesterol, not the yakult type healthy gut 1.
glimmer & i think a few others... Anll ours have been huge. This lo is 7weeks old weighing 12lb15oz about 2 weeks ago. Our 1st born 9lb 5oz our 2nd born 7lb 13.5oz so iv never been in uur position, but pls try not 2 worry. Try make the most of time whilte they r smakl. I never had that teeny tiny cute time. Enjoy it while u can :-)

Grr 2 clock change. Ds1 up @ 6.30am on school inset day!! Dd just getting up now. Lo just falli.g asleep i think. Hope they roll out of bed 4 school/ nursery this easily 2moro!!

Would add to what everyone else is saying about not stressing about milestones etc. Although I think it's probably impossible not to be a bit of a worrywart with your PFB; I still fret more about DS and am still more worried about his development than I am about DD's (I caught myself looking at a friend's Facebook vid of her daughter the other day, comparing her speech to DS's ) Perhaps your PFB is always your PFB?

Re SW, I'm doing it online as the nearest meeting is still a ways from me here in the middle of nowhere! It's good coz you can eat as much low fat carbs and protein as you want (so lots of potatoes, pasta, cous cous, lean steak etc) and if you're BFing then you also up your dairy intake to get more calcium.

I found when I did WW a while ago that I lost lots of weight, very quickly but got hungry a lot. Obviously, with SW, being able to eat lots of pasta doesn't work for lots of people but I was doing it before I got pg and lost about a stone and a half at a rate of about 1-2lbs a week.

Kellymom says it's OK and I generally trust what that site says about BFing so I'm not worried about my milk. And La Leche League says "The composition of your milk really does not vary much with your diet. (Mothers in famine conditions can produce milk that is nutritionally perfect for their babies)" and they really are the experts!

LO now weighs 9lb11 :) Her weight, height and head circ are all on the 25th line, so she's perfectly proportioned :)

feral, I forgot about the fact you can eat loads of carbs and meat together with SW now with the extra easy, no excuses for me then :) I just really want to cut down the unhealthy snacks, and have a better idea of what I want for lunches as I kind of busk it at the moment and just grab something, meaning I end up eating the wrong foods mid afternoon etc!

Sw sounds really good, how much does it cost? Do u know if they have plans 4 vegetarians?
100 ur li is the opposite of our (obese) lo whos almost on the 98th centile! Amazing wot breastmilk can do 4 all pur lo's!!

Hi there - sorry for butting in but I come with the offer of goodies! We're working with a company that makes something very useful for babies and we're trying to recruit MNers with newborn and very young babies to take part in a product test - am being cryptic and vague on purpose because we can't say on site who it is yet...

Are any of you interested in taking part? All you have to do is try the product out (which is loads of freebies BTW!) and add your feedback to a thread on MN - should only take 10 or 15 mins max. If you're interested in finding out more (no commitment required!), please can you email or PM me? If you email, pls send to [email protected]

Thanks all - as you were!

NewGirlHelenMumsnet (MNHQ) -did you get my pm?

Bounce for all the others

Jimmi, it's about £5 a week with a joining fee of about £9 ish but there are usually offers on so the first week only costs about £9 then it's roughly £5 a week after that unless you buy a course of (from memory) 6 or 12 weeks which mean you get either 1 or 2 weeks free - unless they've stopped doing that. Yes they have a vegetarians plan, it's the green plan and although I eat meat I used to get great results doing green days. Aw to your LO being on 98th centile, I was expecting mine to be much higher, she's teeny compared to how I was!

I've also PM'd

Had flipping awful night with Lo, mostly unsettled from 11pm -5am, then finally she crashes out and DH woke me at 7am as he was leaving for work :( we just gone so backwards with sleep since her cold 10days ago. She still snotty won't sleep flat I've been giving her a 'pillow' of folded up blanket or she will only sleep upright on me, her carseat or bouncy car. Was in despair what to do with her last night.
On my own with 4.5yr old today as off school and had dentist at 9am, we ran in at 8.59am was busting for loo, then babe wanted feeding my stress levels were sky high. Still it went ok, DD1 was gd as gold first time she let a dentist look into her mouth normally refuses! Then spent 2hrs at soft play noise hell in my vtired head, did Tesco shop as babe asleep and PO. Flipping knackered now, 2hrs till DD1 bathtime.....hope I make it as DH not due home till 6.30pm.
Hope u all doing better x

Totally un MN hugs for you ssmile. :( Tough day for you. Hope tonight is better.

Thanks 100
Frustrated as trying to eat better this wk but was so tired this morn grabbed first thing in cupboard had mince pie for breakfast I don't buy stuff like that as I just have zero self control when I'm tired but DH bought them and he said well it wasn't chocolate you told me no chocolate! He perfectly slim......did make myself eat a banana at 3pm today my weak time and I don't really like them. I've not tried SW before, sounds interesting I normally just try to eat bit less and do loads exercise and it works for me when I'm not breastfeeding which makes me ravenous and super tired so have no willpower.

Aww, Ssmile, sorry you've had a tough time. Not much better here either really, DS still not 100% but went to soft-play-hell to get him out of the house (and also after the dentist, conicidentally!) as he's been climbing the walls.

He's well rough this afternoon though and dead wheezy so DH has just taken him back to the walk-in centre to check that he hasn't now got a chest infection too. DS had two stays in hospital this time last year with a hideous viral chest infection so we are a bit paranoid now

DH and I have been at each other's throats all weekend, mainly coz we're tired. We really don't make a great parenting team a lot of the time; we have to work quite hard at our relationship at the best of times but we're really horrible to each other when we're tired and stressed. We separated for a couple of months after DS was born and I am worried that the same old patterns are starting to return.

Also a bit paranoid that I might be getting a bit PND too as I've been really miserable this last week, even before DS got ill and I got tired. I had PND last time and, despite trying to get as much fresh air and exercise as poss, I'm just feeling really rubbish a lot of the time. Last night DH and DS were trying my patience so much that I took DD and went and sat in the car on the cliffs for an hour to clear my head a bit.

Sorry for doom and gloom. Hopefully HelenMumsnet can send us some exciting freebies to make us !

And Jimmi, yes SW do veggie plans; I try to eat as much veggie as poss when I'm dieting so find it quite useful.

ssmile the sw plan is very good, it's about healthy eating, eating the right things and limiting snacks. I've done well on it in the past.

Oh feral :( having a new baby can make things that aren't 100% highlighted. Hope you aren't getting pnd, I've suffered from depression in the past so do know how things feel when it hits. Keep talking and noting how u feel and do speak to someone if you need to although I'm sure you would.

Hugs feralgirl hope u can talk it out with ur DH. When we had DD1 we were newish couple, living in small flat with a colic baby we found it vvtough going and only just stayed together. I look back and realise I did have depression too from utter exhaustion and loneliness a new baby can bring. We found just acknowledging we both felt crap and not assuming the other one knew what we felt like helped and that the endless sleep deprived nights do eventually get better, which means we both get more energy back and then start living again rather than existing survival.
This time I am working hard at keeping myself sane, diet, iron&vit supplement daily, walk everyday, and I've reached out to a couple of people I hardly know but who have had 2nd babies too recently and asked if they want to meet for coffee. I'm not vsociable but I know I need some adult chat daily or go bonkers. Hence why I'm on mumsnet :) . I hardly see my DH in the week as he works long hrs so I need other contact to stop me feeling resentful if he doesn't have time to chat in the evenings. Gd luck your not alone if your on mumsnet :)

Keep using MN to vent Feral as it can be very theraputic but talk to others too. Am feeling knackered myself as LO still has colic and is struggling to poo so have been having 2 hours of broken sleep a night since last post. Will only sleep on me like many of yours seem to be doing but he had a bit of a temp which worried me so had him on pillow instead. There seems to be no advice for very wee ones regarding temp other than keep them hydrated, he seems to be feeding non stop so am ok there though it hurts as have no break for nipples to recover. I hope we all get through this phase soon as lots of us seem to be in same boat. Hope some of you get some kip tonight. x

Feral i know that feeling me and OH are currently at each other throats not easy when we have a newborn both live with our parents he works as a baker so early morning starts me doing all the night feeds as he is currently not able to stay here as the stupid DVLA have revoked his license due to a head injury he had at the beginning of the year all we have done this evening is argue over text ive been in tears so know how ur feeling.

Only 6 more sleeps until we go away and cant wait!

LO is now drinking 5oz of milk every 3/4 hours was up last night at 12, 3,4, and 5 I gave up at half 5! Fingers crossed for lots of sleep tonight for everyone

Ssmile - hope your LO starts to settle again after her cold.

Feral - Hugs... Hopefully you're starting to find out that a few of us are feeling like you too. I've had a few worries about PND too, after some pretty depressing feelings, and find talking to my DP the best way to pull myself out of them. I also get quite horrible to him and he manages somehow to ignore it, and still pull me out of it. Very lucky there. But, it's such an overwhelming time (I'm learning) that I guess our emotions are everywhere and the enormity of it gets to us very easily. I agree with others, this thread can be a lifeline to know that we're all in the same boat. And get ideas about how to cope with things too. Well done to us all :)
JoJo- so sorry about your situation... hope you enjoy your trip away! My LO is also feeding about 5oz too every 3 ish hours in the day (and sometimes night, though she has gone longer). Hopefully HV comes tomorrow, and she gets weighed and I'm feeling she'll be a biggee!

We also didn't have a good night last night... she was very gripy and grumbly and took ages to settle at the start of the night and after the 2.30am feed. And no more lie ins as it's back to normal with 6.30am starts.

Sending good sleep fairies to us all for tonight... and to our LOs...! [hsmile]

Feral - sending you huge virtual hug. I know how you feel - been there myself in the past - hence one of the reasons I am sleeping separately with baby as in week one I told dh that's what I would do but that he had to make special allowance for my grumps as I would take the sleep deprivation but expect moral support - seems to be working. Have you both sat down and acknowledged the reason for your arguments - ie stress and tiredness of a new baby - sometimes it does help. I would also say that if you have had pnd before and you have felt like this for the last week it would be worth talking to your hv and gp - nip it in the bud. Even if it's not full blown there are meds that won't harm you or lo and might help. Also, make sure you tell your oh that you are feeling this way - men are not the most perceptive of little critters and sometimes they need it spelt out. Good luck hon - it will get better.

Smile - hope you get your good sleep patterns back very soon. Big star awarded to you from me on behalf of the group for being a supermum and coping with softplay with so little sleep - that takes nerves of steel !
My day was mad - ds1 started at his new school which went brilliantly and he had a great day. I was very relieved. I shopped for stuff all over the place but realise that I have a memory like a colander these days so forgot loads of bits that I needed.
Decorated the house and the kids did trick or treating with their dad (I hate it so refuse and just stayed at home distributing sweets in comfort with the help of lo who looked cute in a pumpkin outfit - he got many oohs and ahhs!
Tonight I feel like I might be coming down with something - my throat feels very achy. Hoping it's just exhaustion as I don't want anything else at the moment in my unslept state.
I have signed up with mnet Helen too - knowing my luck will probably be testing incontinence pants or laxatives ! I am very available to test out any first class travel with lo to luxury places and would be also happy to test out and give feedback on cleaning, ironing and gardening services !

Alas minkyj you may be a little disappointed when you find out what they are giving away :o I like your suggestion SO much more if MN are listening :)
Slightly better night ere fingers Xed Lo settles after this feed. She been hungry today is there a 9wk growth spurt? I've had 3hrs+1hr sleep so far.......
Sending you all sleep fairies

Wohoo little man only woke up twice in the night! He slept from 7.30 - 1am then 1.30 - 5 then fell back asleep until 7 when he wanted to play! Me praying to the sleep fairy must of worked!!

Whey Jojo!! Fingers crossed...

Same here - LO fed at 10, asleep in basket at 11 till 4.30, fed then asleep at 5.15 in our bed till 7!! The alarm at 6.15 (dp gets up at 6.30) actually woke us up for the first time in weeks!!! And sat night she slept 5 hours straight... But Sunday not but she was gripy... Here's hoping this is a trend (she's 6.5 weeks now) and for you too Jojo ... Good little sleep fairies!!

Ssmile hope sleep fairies worked for you too!

Minky well done on a very busy day. Hope your throat ok and just down to tiredness and not anything else.

Sorry should have put ##### as on phone, hence 3 messages!

Well done on those sleepy babes. Had mixed night I just really struggling to settle babe after feeds in night she gulps down milk in 8-10mins then it takes 1hr+ to wind her! Everytime I try to settle her 2mins later she crys if I pick her up she burps &farts. So I snatched some rest&dozed till 6am, propped babe half on a pillow wedged in with rolled up towel either side as she would only sleep part upright next too me.
Been healthy this morn, power walked back from school, did 15mins on cycle trainer, made butternut squash soup for lunch, and cooked fruit for pud :) was horrified I'd put on 6lbs in last 2wks
Babe got her jabs tom delayed from last week she be 9.5wks just hoping it doesn't upset her too much as still getting over cold.