What will it take for the Government to enact welfare reform?

[Schlossadler]

What has to break, before the Government is finally willing to enact welfare reform?

This sounds like the Covid threads. When in reality people do more than what is accused as selfish, plus work, pay taxes etc

It’s not selfish to discuss the spending issue and huge debt we’re facing. The votes for more and more probably are endless, the money is not.

Labour didn't benefit from any of it our banks did... nothing to do with Labour at all

No. Exceed the threshold.

No. Exceed the threshold.

No. Exceed the threshold.

You can probably read more on it but as a starter

Countries cancelled wealth taxes because they proved to be highly inefficient, causing severe capital flight and raising very little actual revenue.
The core failures of these taxes included:

• Capital flight: Wealthy individuals easily moved themselves and their money to low-tax nations.
• High costs: Annual valuation of illiquid assets like art, private companies, and property was a bureaucratic and expensive nightmare.
• Low yields: Because of exemptions and legal loopholes, the tax typically generated less than 0.2% of GDP.
• Cash flow issues: It unfairly penalized "asset-rich, cash-poor" people, like farmers and startup founders, who had no liquid cash to pay.

And do your kids go to state or private school? Does your family use the NHS?

PP wasn’t saying they shouldn’t be provided. They should be. Just noting the current model of independent standalone house for £0 contribution would be better replaced by communal living and expected contribution on the basis that as a country we need to cut our cloth. It feels entirely sensible and compassionate.

I retired at 60, now 62 and still pay taxes. I will until I pop my clogs. The difference between you and me is that I don’t blame people for circumstances outwith their control. I’m happy to contribute.

Of course they did via taxes, ellipses wont change that, they were fine with the golden goose despite the risk exposure. It was a boom before the bust. That plus PFI. The period was a credit party before the credit crunch.

The difference is you have no basis for this post. The debt is a problem in that we pay over £100bn a year and our dc will pick up the tab.

That’s selfish in its own way.

Neither. Both in nursery. Go private.

But you raise good points:

1. state schools should be better funded and provide better quality teaching and rounded educations (extracurricular). Hence my point re. Diverting funds
2. perhaps those that use private healthcare should get an NI reduction?

I didn’t either. Not because I exceeded the threshold. It just didn’t exist. New benefit.

My Dc are already picking up the tab. For Tory Governments.

You can keep asking for more but it will spike the debt.

What have I asked for? Will I tell you? Nothing.

It’s easy to vote for parties that spend more, the hard part is how we pay for it. Borrowing more is out.

It should be free for all. And truly free: not just PT hours over term time. Would enable parents to return to the workforce which is proven to be better for the economy overall.

I have no clue what that has to do with me.

But not for the children.

It’s ridiculous to call people ‘selfish’ because they can see debt is too high. It’s costing shit loads and is unsustainable.

That's not why I called people selfish.

Good luck with that.

What tax rate would you be willing to bear?

Btw you’ll have to quote where I blamed people for circumstances outside their control. The selfish accusation is a knee jerk response to any policy which isn’t ever rising spending and debt.