What will it take for the Government to enact welfare reform?

[Schlossadler]

What has to break, before the Government is finally willing to enact welfare reform?

Are you like Jim Ratcliffe, commenting from abroad?

I think that's spot on actually. If this Labour government proves unable to reduce spending, be it triple lock, PIP etc, they will lose next election, because 'the markets' will keep pushing up cost of our debt, and interest rates will increase, which will piss everyone off.

Yes. Britain is not a good country for him. No point him even considering moving back here. We don't need him or any successful wealthy person anyway. And weve got thr policies to keep those people away!! Thats why 16,000 of those dreadful people moved last year.

Or we go back to the principles that the welfare state was founded upon and focus on supporting out of poverty rather than ever increasing hand outs. Other than for the the disabled, unemployment should be a temporary situation with time limited support and consequences.

Rather than child benefit, why don’t we as a country just invest that money in schools and better educations for children? Wouldn’t that benefit all kids and surely be of benefit to the country as a whole?

This. And with no in work top-ups, particularly for part time workers. If they want more money they can either work full time and / or negotiate a better salary with their employers.

Surely we are beyond the point where further investment is even an option, we are drowning in debt as a nation. The more pension and welfare goes up the more inflation rises and it is argued that it needs to go up again, it is circular. In my view the answer is a return to communal living for those who need support, this both cuts the cost of housing people and could ensure children receive what they need in terms of care and food. Communal kitchens where everyone eats together and those who live there all pitch in, communal childcare and preschool education, this could provide employment for some of the residents. Work to be arranged by the council and transport provided. We have no money as a country and we cannot continue to support millions of independent households, this hugely contributes to the housing issues and prices, if we stopped trying to do this house prices would fall or at least stop rising. In a community there should always be some contribution that should be made, people need to get back to that understanding, no-one owes you a house and food if you don't contribute.

Oh dear your comprehension skills lacking. That explains a lot.

What happens if the period of needing help is temporary? People lose their homes for the crime of being unemployed for a while? People who have worked their whole lives become ill or disabled and they lose everything? I don't think landlords would be too happy either. Or the banks who would have to go to the trouble of reposessing houses. Then there's the cost of building these workhouse etc.

In short, an unworkable idea that no sensible person would propose.

Interesting so you want to make more work for the tax office and increase administration costs by making them checking who says silly, arguably racists stuff and stop them from paying tax…that’s not my position, it maybe yours, but if that’s the case it’s not smart.

Allow me to school you. When an individual is deemed UHNW i.e. has liquidity of more than 20m odd quid, they are handled by one of HMRC’s ‘special’ tax units - I hope you can understand why. This is reflected in the higher tax take for these individuals.

As to the rest of your nonsensical post, wtf does that have to do with taxation (no need to answer).

In my view the answer is a return to communal living for those who need support

Like a workhouse maybe? Maybe that's how societies work, a cycle of stressing the welfare state and health services such that we return to a workhouse model until such time the state has enough to get those in need out of poverty.

Time will tell I suppose.
nb to be clear, I am not in support of workhouses!

So anyone not having a shit time can’t provide their experience? Only those having a shite experience has any right to debate @ExpectMore ? Only those of the view that “Britain is broken” is valid?

The comment stemmed from Labour potentially removing benefits from parents, or more sanctions, if their dc commit offences. It doesn’t look great as an indicator of where society is.

You clearly have an inability to understand what I've written.

You said

You have happily accepted his tax and investment though, right?

This implied that I (or the government) should not take his taxes - whether personal or business if I don't like things he said. Which is silly right!!

I pointed that out - you don't understand and started 'to school' me which is hilarious.

@Theseagullwhisperer
@Pineneedlesincarpet

I made the original comment, it was not a lazy assumption...

Credit where credit it due (Grangemouth and the pension fund aside). He led Ineos through hugely successful acquisitive growth. But growth through acquisition is no guarantee that someone is equally good at generating organic growth. They require different skills, as plenty of Adviser to CFO moves have demonstrated. Being brilliant at identifying, financing and executing deals doesn't automatically mean you are brilliant at developing people, improving productivity and growing an organisation (or economy) from within.

Ratcliffe's record, which can't be separated from his leadership approach, raises legitimate questions about how well his particular skill set translates to the second type of growth. Sustainable organic growth is essential to any successful government, but a country also has to support/ develop/ upskill a broad population base, some of whom, like many disabled people will never be able to contribute economically. That's were running a country becomes very different from running a company. Economic efficiency matters, but government also has to balance it against investment in people, living standards and responsibilities towards those who will never be economically productive.

You can tell a lot about a person by how they led their companies to growth. We learn as much from the bad bits as the good.

What about the parents not on benefits? Were they mentioned?

What makes you think that isn't still what the welfare state's intended for? Because it's nowhere near as easy to just decide to not work as many people seem to think it is.

@Differentforgirlsinfo here

I haven't called any posters that name, nor would I.😊

Eta: if you have an issue with a post I've made on an entirely separate thread then maybe take it up with me on that thread?

Just the thread then?
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My point entirely stands with the words child benefit removed.

Thank you.

That will be because he’s been a resident of Monaco since 2020.

If it is as described then it can be said on this thread anyway.