What will it take for the Government to enact welfare reform?

[Schlossadler]

What has to break, before the Government is finally willing to enact welfare reform?

Because you are no more entitled to my time than you are to my money.

HTH😘

The safety net is to provide for a minimum.

“The State in organising security should not stifle incentive, opportunity, responsibility; in establishing a national minimum, it should leave room and encouragement for voluntary action by each individual to provide more than that minimum for himself and his family"

William Beveridge, The father of the welfare state

Pretty sure that does not mean level the playing field for freeloaders - those people who could make provision but would rather take from others.

Are you deliberately ignoring what I write? Because I did state very clearly that I pay into a pension fund.

The literal point of paying into a workplace pension is to provide for your own old age. I already do that.

Care for the elderly is the collective responsibility of everyone in society. Old people are not the property of their children to be maintained by them. is truth. It's truth in law and in fact. If the adult children walk away or cannot do the job, the local authority has a legal duty to step in. A legal duty.

As I have already explained, assuming that your children will look after you is not assuring your elder care provision.

If you don't like how the current State Pension and state elder care funding is a Ponzi scheme relying on the current workers paying for the current pensioners, take that up with the people who designed it. But don't claim that it's the problem of individual families to fix. It isn't and cannot be.

You are not posting in good faith. You are not reading what I write and you are fabricating straw man arguments instead of addressing the points I actually make.

If the bond markets raise interest rates further and the IMF has to bail us out the government will have no choice than to cut benefits. It won’t be a well thought out restructuring of welfare though as that boat has already sailed due to successive governments not grasping the nettle.

The burden of proving a point is on the person making the point, not on the person reading the argument.

That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

I have evidenced why vouchers will not work in practice. You cannot rebutt my evidence.

When I reach old age, there will be no one to care for me. My siblings and I all had no children. Nonetheless, we deserve old age care.

Was that not you?

Or did your best mates write it? You know, Bait and Switch...

And it will be paid for out of my workplace pension and only topped up if my pension isn't enough. If I need residential care, my home will be sold to pay the care home fees.

You've conflated "make my own provision" with "create the care workers who will care for me".

Perhaps you could redirect the considerable effort you are putting into twisting my words into answering how a small family-run shop would implement and fund self-scanning handsets that can categorise people's shopping into the correct voucher types?

Why does the small shop need to?

maybe the system is designed such it only works with large stores. Just like fuel cards only work with some shops.

What you are basically describing is the State undermining local businesses by preventing an entire class of people from spending money locally, and instead funnelling State benefits payments into the coffers of multi-national corporations.

It's the kind of thing I'd expect the CEOs of the supermarkets to lobby for to increase their own profits. It stinks of corruption to have the Govt force an entire class of people to shop only in certain, already huge, shops. This isn't about saving money, it's crony capitalism at its worst.

It also forces benefits claimants to travel, potentially by bus costing them money that they can ill-afford, to a large shop instead of being able to walk to smaller local shops. I lived for a decade in a village where the largest shop was a family-owned Spar franchise and the nearest Tesco was five miles away along a road that had no footpaths.

Fuel cards are a business-to-business account management mechanism to allow commercial drivers to fill their vehicles without having to keep the receipt and file an expenses claim. They aren't comparable.

Ha. There are some leaps and bounds there. From a practical suggestion as to how something to work to corruption (there clearly isn’t any) and cronyism. What waffle

One of Britain's richest people, Sir Jim Ratcliffe, says he has lost confidence in the UK, describing the country as "on the slide".

The founder of petrochemical giant Ineos, who also owns a large stake in Manchester United, said the UK was in decline due to a combination of high taxes and high immigration.
He told the BBC failing to invest further in North Sea oil and gas amounted to "insanity" and warned gas storage was so low that the UK could "run out of gas" if there was a cold snap this winter.

Sir Jim said the politics of envy was driving people away from the UK.
"In America they applaud people who create wealth," he said. "Unfortunately the UK has got a bit of a green eye towards wealth at the moment."
He said for him to return to the UK "things would have to get better".

You and me both, pal.

On the radio just now this idea. I can’t access the Times but if anyone can it’s this: interested to see what people think

The Policy: Sentencing and Youth Justice Minister Jake Richards confirmed that docking welfare benefits and custodial sentences are options "on the table" for parents who fail to prevent their children from committing crimes. 1]

Or yahoo article
https://www.yahoo.com/news/politics/articles/parents-could-lose-benefits-face-032231871.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAANByR77d3rLQTsR3g4Q9gMDLgmPo8sERXt_YP8ZfUY6aWbdVvtd64FaJfKSxthFZZPZPpQrwdyimklYm6oOQCpWzOluNIEofmf1kpVmruRH4X2t4r5DUZg9xCAdidA4J6eu3kFiTxBTqqlFWIdmsn8Q-BMtw8aNzQGlZZnDotE5a

Having spent years working in areas of high deprivation, I am consistently appalled by the massively overinflated prices found in the majority of small, local stores. Anyone on low income will struggle even more if forced to shop there. There should be more provision for reduced cost public transport to cheaper stores e.g. Aldi/Lidl.

Why fancy scanners? They’ll have a mobile phone which can scan a qr code linked via Wi-Fi app to a database. Needn’t cost the corner shop a bean. Lots of small businesses already accept cards by a mobile phone app or a cheap card reader. Lots of corner shops already have different phones, scanners or tablets to accept parcels such as Evri, DPD, InPost, etc.

Amazing that society has to compel people to do the right thing, by threat of sanction.

Britain is truly broken.

Nail on the head but the politicians in office at the time will lap it up with their “not my fault, guv, the IMF made us do it”. Then they’ll all pop off with their gold plated pensions.

This is very dangerous territory. Welfare means pensions, paying for children....the vast majority of people in this group aren't of working age and have no means to contribute.

Private pensions ars absolutely useless, you would be e better off putting the money into SP500 every month.

Company pensions can be very good but they aren't all equal so truth is the state pension needs to be there to protect people in old age

We can't keep blaming welfare on our ills, without it we would be in real bother.

Which parent?
Given these feral kids don’t have fathers living with them you can’t jail the father. Hear the squeals if you try to jail the ‘singlle parent’ mother, or reduce her ‘benefits’ /similarly no way to jail the succession of ‘stepfathers’

Again to jail the parents would solve what exactly, more kids needing foster care, millions on the legal bill to deal with kids in foster care. For a child to be taken into care you need the court's it's not simple or cheap.

None of these crowd pleasing acts of parliament will solve the problem. You can't solve bad parenting with the courts.

I should imagine lots of these so called feral gains are either excluded from school or simply not going (truent)....we already have mechanisms to deal with this.

We don't need more laws what we need is people good at managing naughty children. Maybe time to consider boarding schools for these types....I don't know but if it really is that much of a problem sending parents to prison isn't really an option.

Me personally I think it's a mess minority, a small number. That can easily be sorted.

Britain is truly broken

No it is isn't. That is Farage/Lowe speak. And you know it.

It’s a bizarre policy from Labour. I wonder how much support they’ll get from those that always back them.

Agreed.

it won’t get better until the masses suffer and there’s an external shock to the system. Will take 200-300 years to get back to being a world power again. If indeed if ever does

Ah yes the same Jim Ratcliffe who had to apologise for essentially sounding like a racist… not sure I want to take anything he says as gospel as he is at best clumsy with words or at worst he knew exactly what he doing and that is more sinister

What you mean is we need parents to parent. With a focus on instilling the right values into their offspring.